Friday, September 15, 2006

Today (15--9-06)

Letters from Today. Thanks Vegancat for sending them in.
Have drafted a quick response as I'm rushing out for a meeting now.


Lim Boon Hee:
John Ang:


More than one and a half years ago, the Surbana - which comes under the
umbrella of the HDB - undertook the widening of Jalan Membina. In the
process, 15 to 20 mature trees were felled, as one letter-writer lamented.
The trees were about 25 to 30 years old, had lovely shapes, provided good
shade and did not shed their branches.

Official replies by NParks and the HDB reassured the writer that trees
would be planted once the road widening was completed. The work is almost
complete, but I do not see any trees being planted. Many residents who use
this road daily to and from Tiong Bahru MRT have suffered the piercing
direct sun long enough.

Thank you Daniel Toh Yong Tat ("Calling all residents", Sept 14) and
brother for feeding the stray cat Garfield for the past two years.

But while the community works together to look for the "cat murderer",
they could perhaps also help to clean up the excrement left by the stays
and the leftover food from the cat-feeders.

While patrolling the area, you may also like to do the community a service
by picking up the poo left behind by dog-owners who do not clean up after
their pets, in consideration of those of us who are joggers.

Let us be considerate of one another.


Anonymous Anonymous said...

the Lim Boon Hee is a well known fuc*-ing Ass-hole!!

15/9/06 10:28 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i think the forum writer, Dianel is just a young there a need for that Lim chap to be so assh#%# about it..geez...and perhaps, he could also be considerate and pick up the trash left by people as he was jogging too.let US be considerate...

15/9/06 10:43 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

He is not wrong in what he said.Put yourself in his shoes, if he doesnt like animals, seeing dog and cat shit everywhere he jogs and left over food with flies flying over them. It is a turnoff. And if cat lovers just want to say oh he is just a cat hater, an *$&% and dont want to reflect on what he said then the next thing that will happen is image of cats and care givers will drop again.

15/9/06 11:57 AM  
Blogger vegancat said...

He is barking up the wrong trees. I can empathize with John Ang (NOT Lim Boon Hee)'s frustration (I can visualize him skipping over dog poo along his jogging path)and he is directing his anger at cat people. People who care for strays are often just as upset by irresponsible feeding as these "black sheep" affects the "invisible" good work of people who clean up after feeding.
Adopting a blaming attitude will not help the situation. We really have to sit down and ask ourselves - why do we lack this social graciousness? If one is not practizing selective zooming on cat feed leftover and dog poo, one will realise that the MAJOR part of the rubbish has nothing to do with the non-human animals.
See Litter Galore

15/9/06 12:13 PM  
Blogger Robin said...

Yes yes, we can all live with:

more consideration for others;
more compassion to all living things;
more toleration;
more understanding....

15/9/06 12:13 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

this is ridiculous. if the writer sees what he considers to be an unsightly mess in common areas, he has an equal responsibility to clean up. why does he seem to think Daniel or his brother has more of a duty to do it than himself? just because they are animal lovers and he's not?

do plant lovers have more of a duty to sweep up leaves that blow across the void deck or corridor? and do people who are passionate abt cars have to clean up oil slicks left by other car owners?

his call shld be for dog owners to clean up after their own dog's poo or for feeders to clean up their own mess. but to push the responsibility to others for his own convenience ("in consideration for us who are joggers") makes him look like a spoiled and selfish brat.

15/9/06 12:22 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

He is not a brat lah, probably an old grumpy cum unhappy man who is so free to freak on every little things that crosses his path! He is a regular writer to the various papers & is fond of complaining on anything that exists on earth. And to the 3rd anonymous - why should we put ourselves in his shoes and what right does he has to demand that animal lovers should go around picking-up shits when most of the time it is more of humans' trash than anything else!

15/9/06 12:35 PM  
Blogger Dawn said...

I agree - why should cat caregivers pick up dog defecation more than any other member of the community? For example, since the writer is a jogger and runs around the estate and it bothers him, he can do the civic minded thing and pick up the defecation.

A cat caregiver is not there to clean up after everyone else in the estate - they are a resident and working towards the betterment of the estate, but so should ALL residents.

15/9/06 12:36 PM  
Blogger Dawn said...

Anonymous - I agree leftover food is a problem, but again this is due to some irresponsible feeders, NOT responsible caregivers. Let me put it this way, should we stop everyone from drinking canned drinks because some people litter?

15/9/06 12:37 PM  
Blogger straycat said...

just wrote something on this after reading e papers this morning.

15/9/06 12:39 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Daniel is definitely a kid by the way the letter was written. Instead of applauding a rare trait of selfless compassion amongst the young, this, presumably grown up who called himself John Ang and hence avoiding a google search on him, is compartively childish in his mental development! His family and friends should be ashamed what his letter!

15/9/06 12:51 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dawn, do you have any idea who wrote which letter - I mean is it Lim Boon Hee for the Trees and the John Ang on Dogs shit? Quite confusing when they combined the letters into one. If Lim Boon Hee was writing about the Trees then i would like to apologise to him cos i posted the 1st comment & scolded him bad words...

15/9/06 1:05 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have the real copy of TODAY. The "culprit" is John Ang. Check out the PDF version.

15/9/06 1:21 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i am 3rd anonymous, my point is not to ask all you cat lovers to go clean up dog shit. I know that you always say you feed responsiblity and say its others that feed and litter.

My point is stop berating others and calling everyone nonsensical. If his letters can get published, they make an impact on public views. You would be smart to see what he has to say and know the vibe of the public from this letters. To you he may be a cat hater, trouble maker but his views do matter. Dont get complacent just because a cat abuser gets a 12 month sentence, papers start talking about cat carers as grassroot leaders. There are still many people who cant wait to see cats off the streets. Dont be complacent and ignore this views.

15/9/06 1:32 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree that one should not go emotionally distraught in reaction but it does give an opportunity for people who do care to offer a more balanced view of looking at issues involving strays. Definitely it is naive to say that cat lovers have won with the recent positive media reporting but it is not "sinful" to rejoice and pat ourselves that we have done well and now we go on to do even better.

15/9/06 1:45 PM  
Blogger Dawn said...

Anonymous, i don't think anyone is getting complacent.I've already written a response.

My point is this - if it bothers the writer that the environment is dirty, then he ought to pitch in. Why should caregivers be picking up after everyone else in the estate? Do other residents not live there? Either it bothers you, and you pick up after, or it doesn't bother you, and you leave it alone. Clearly it bothers the writer enough to write in, but not enough to do something about it.

For example, since he jogs around the estate, why not carry some plastic bags around? He can then pick up the defecation and keep the area clean since he is obviously bothered by it. This is about having a cleaner environment - and surely the writer is a resident in the same environment.

15/9/06 1:54 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

3rd anonymous - We are not being ignorant nor complacent as you mentioned. I supposed you are from the same factory as John Ang, thus feeling that you have the right to demand someone else to pick-up dogs' shit, just for your own convenience. If the views raised by John Ang wasn't nonsensical as you claimed, then I am afraid our moral values are in serious crisis.

15/9/06 1:55 PM  
Anonymous anti-human said...

Dog poo should be picked up by the dog's own owner and no one else. Isin't that basic courtesy? I disagree with Dawn that any person who is bothered by it should pick it up. I'm a jogger myself. While I'm jogging, I wouldn't want my run to be disrupted by having to pick up dog poo. Moreover, joggers don't run with plastic bags in their hands.

15/9/06 2:23 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why is it that we humans still cannot live in Peace with other living beings? Why do we have SO MUCH to complain about. If joggers are so bothered by dogs' shit, then what about innocent pedestrians who have to be constantly walking in fear, having to share walking path with those reckless cyclists. Can we then ask the cyclists to throw away their bicycles simply because we cannot walk in peace? Relax lah!

15/9/06 2:39 PM  
Blogger Dawn said...

Anti-human, what I meant was this - if the writer is so bothered by it, perhaps he can pick it up. Writing to the newspaper isn't going to get the defecation picked up.

I jog too - and when I see defecation I just avoid it. I don't pick it up, but it doesn't then it doesn't really bother me because I just try not to step into it. If it bothered me that much though, I would pick it up.

My point was that anyone has as much as right to look after the estate as the next person. I think the rule of thumb is that if it upsets or annoys you, then you ought to do something about it. You shouldn't ask someone else to do something about it.

15/9/06 2:52 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am not from the same camp as the what John Ang. I am telling all you cat lovers that are so bloody blinded that you refuse to listen to other's views. As I said nonsensical as his views are, they get published. If you want to hear only nice things then too bad. It is not going to happen. The guy specifically directed his letter at the guys who fed cats, blaming them for the mess in the estate. If you are smart, you would read, analyse where he is coming from and prepare how to explain and let him know how misunderstood he is. Instead of just brushing it off as another cat hater. Why is it that many an instance, we must wait till the culling starts then we start to panic and action? Why not listen to other's views and as dumb as it may sound, see what they really are peeved or misunderstood about? Similarly let them know that cat lovers are not crazy old aunties.

15/9/06 4:24 PM  
Blogger Dawn said...

Anonymous, I think that what you're doing is what you're accusing some of the others as doing to you- ie over-generalising. For example, saying you cat-lovers and then saying that we are not addressing his concerns is over-simplifying the situation.

As you may have read from what I have written, I have (1) not called him a cat hater and (2) already explained that EVERYONE, whether you like cats, you cycle, you jog, you walk, etc has a part in keeping the environment clean. Ergo - if the environment is dirty, and it bothers you, then do the civic conscious thing, clean up!

Asking someone else to clean up a mess that they didn't create because it bothers you is silly. For example, say you see someone leaving a canned drink on the table in the void deck. Why not (1) talk to the person directly, or (2) clean up if it bothers you? Why go and pull up someone else walking home and tell them that they should clean up?

15/9/06 4:32 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I am telling all you cat lovers that are so bloody blinded that you refuse to listen to other's views."

Geez..this sounds as racist as "you nigger lovers!"

15/9/06 5:04 PM  
Blogger koratmao said...

why does John Ang say 'lets be considerate to one another' when he is not being considerate to cat volunteers? Hey! we/they are pedestrians too! If he can be bothered to write in, why isn't he equally smart and 'convenient' enough to suggest setting up a pole equipped with dog-poop plastic bags like some private estates have? Why can't he suggest dog-owners to form a poop-clearance committee as well? Cat volunteers are not paid by the government to be janitors and Dog-owners seemed to be the real BULLY here, why isn't he 'logically-smart'enough to point the finger at the right culprits? He is helping to BULLY cat volunteers! Hope he gets to read all these blog comments. He's so out of context!and to think his article is accepted for public reading???

15/9/06 7:40 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Have a PtD lah - Pick trash Day. Everyone carries plastic bags and picks trash, poo or whatever for 5 mins every Monday of the week. All problems solved.

16/9/06 12:33 AM  
Anonymous why said...

nothing worthy to reflect upon what J Ang said. I think he's just either plain dim or critically vision impaired to not see all other trash in his path.. he chose to see poo only..
I choose to see nicer things. Have any one else seen the big white cat atop the bus, the fancy feast ad.. hope they have it on more buses...

18/9/06 11:18 AM  
Blogger Dawn said...

No - I must look out for that!

18/9/06 11:21 AM  

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