Monday, November 27, 2006

ST (27-11-06)

Thanks to Vegancat and IwooiBlog for sending this to me :-

Control Stray cats but have some regard for their welfare

This is a good letter - and makes a good point. Some people who borrow traps are probably not doing the right things with them - and there really is not much we can do about it except to complain and ask the AVA take the trap back.

Plus of course some people are deliberately trapping their neighbours' cats knowing full well that they DO belong to someone - and that should not be allowed.


Blogger vegancat said...

check out stomper

27/11/06 11:46 AM  
Blogger koratmao said...

Great Letter! Immense heartached for cats trapped and neglected in such condition...I hope more publicity like this will increase the awareness for anti-cat abuse. More people may even start to be curious at how lovely cats can be.

27/11/06 11:49 AM  
Blogger vegancat said...

And the cost of delivering, picking up the trap and the killing of the cats at AVA is all borne by taxpayers such as you and me.
No wonder such house owners are not bothered to try humane methods of keeping cats out of the gardens.

27/11/06 11:56 AM  
Blogger iWooiBlog said...

(Regardless) I have already send a feedback letter to AVA via their website, of course they can simply ignore my email just like they ignore Mdm Lim.

But I thought I just make an effort to let them know what is exactly happening on the ground and they are partly responsible for this.


27/11/06 11:59 AM  
Blogger Dawn said...

Yes it costs them nothing to do so - so if the thought of killing cats does not upset you, then the cost certainly won't.

27/11/06 12:05 PM  
Blogger vegancat said...

I think this offer of free loan of cat traps stems back to the panic during the SARS period when the SCRS (Stray Cat Rehab Scheme) was abruptly terminated. In its place, AVA then offers to pick up any cats that are deemed "nuisance".
I think this practice should stop!

27/11/06 12:06 PM  
Blogger Dawn said...

Actually it was from before that - but I agree. It ought to stop.

27/11/06 12:09 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Exactly. This would be a good starting point for us to bring this up to the press. (*hint hint* the guy who loans traps) If enough people write in perhaps AVA will no longer be able to evade the issue.

27/11/06 12:33 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

AVA has to offer ' a ' service to the public about animals trespassing so all they could do is to offer free loan traps, pick victims up for routine culling.

The best bet is for rescue folks to continue sterilising the strays
and make each project work like SPAY DAY is for every day.

What CWS done is great, make each project counts, finding workable solutions under difficult circumstances.

27/11/06 12:51 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I walked by a house today and saw a well made cat trap. I remember my friend telling the owner to put a cover so victim could suffer from rain and sun.

27/11/06 12:56 PM  
Blogger iWooiBlog said...

anoymous, you can actually tell the home owner in doing so is consider torturing animals, and that you can call the SPCA or the press to "highlight" the problem to them.


Regarding this cat trap issue with AVA, is CWS "talking" to AVA about this? What is the SPCA's position? Maybe can do a "joint talk" with the AVA


27/11/06 1:49 PM  
Blogger Dawn said...

Anonymous we have brought this up - but have been told that they must have an avenue for people to get rid of cats that wander onto their property. They DO have regulations but the question is how to supervise it when it is on someone's home.

27/11/06 2:50 PM  
Blogger Dawn said...

Anonymous, yes if a cat is left in the sun and rain please do complain to the AVA and you can call the police too.

27/11/06 2:51 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The avenue AVA has is to loan traps and have the cats killed. People who use them do not bother whether there is a death and even if they do, someone else is doing the killing. And AVA is OK with Killing because it's a routine stuff for them.

The AVA trap has an open 'skies' concept, that means the cat gets totally wet during downpour and all baked during heatwave. Besides the primitive hook mechanisim, AVA though had has received tons of protests from animal lovers about exposures to the elements, AVA has done NOTHING to the trap design. Their standard template is they users supposed to cover the trap. Their responsibility ends there, no supervision, nothing.

What rescue folks can do is to suggest a humane roof, heat absorbent ( anti-UV rays ), to be mounted above the trap, with few inches of air space. That way, cat killers won't be able to torture the victim by allowing the rain and sun to get to the cat.

So will this be too much for AVA to do? Beyond them, or they just give template replies etc. They are not the one suffering, so would they care? Money shouldn't be a problem, that's what they always say.

27/11/06 4:36 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

of course any one with a cat caught in an AVA trap without cover must be reported to the police.

I have done that wonder when I went to this bungalow, the owner said she knew nothing about cat in the trap and that she was having a very bad headache resting in her aircon room.

I told her the headache will go once the cat is released. For some strange reason, I accidently released the cat and the other owner wanted me to sign some letters saying he could sue his
neighbour or me if his property got damaged by cats in future.

I agree to the challenge and have not heard form him because I got his neighbour to keep the street cats in her own bungalow.

The police was not in favour of cats being exposed in his garden.
We can trust the police to response
esp now we have lots of afternoon thunderstroms.

27/11/06 4:43 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Forgive me if I am wrong, I think the reasoning why the traps are so "primitive" is because their purpose is to trap cats and then cull those cats. So the cat that enters it is already "dead", why the need for welfare?

Has anyone seen a rat trap? Same principle. Open air and haven't heard anyone complain yet.... simply because they are rats and not cats.

27/11/06 5:35 PM  
Blogger koratmao said...

Exactly, The traps are meant for RATS now used for CATS- their predator. Same reason why our non-cat-lover-father-generation keep cats for: to catch rats...domestic worker...
Is this a retribution for cats? I will not hesitate to climb over and release the poor victim, rain or shine, human shout,sue or threat....Human retribution may came in the form of UFO keeping us in cage????

27/11/06 5:49 PM  
Anonymous Flurry said...

Besides the inhumane ways of trapping the cats, why are these poor animals being trapped and put down in the first place??? In the first place AVA should not be allowed to lend out the traps to any Tom, Dick and Harry. And why can't these animals be left alone sterlised or otherwise.

27/11/06 6:07 PM  
Blogger vegancat said...

Shouldn't AVA find out why the owner wants to trap the cats. If it were due to cats messing in the garden, then AVA should practise what it preaches..EDUCATION! Just load that owner with pamphlets on how to use water to scare away the cats, etc.
Like TC, AVA takes the easy out with loan of traps just as TC takes the easy way with calling the pest control.
It is ironic that AVA is also the department that looks into animal cruelty and administer the law on animal cruelty.
Will we live to see the day when we have an independent animal welfare unit with law enforcement officers like we see on programs like the Protectors on Animal Planet?

27/11/06 8:31 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There should be a separate department in another ministry to oversee the work of the culling activities of AVA.

Like New York, the ASPCA receives statewide powers of arrest in its charter. NGO in nature but empowered to enforce the state's anti-cruelty laws.

Here police not well versed with animal cruelty laws and much time is wasted due to low priority given to animal cruelty cases.

We need full-time animal protectors.

27/11/06 11:16 PM  
Blogger Dawn said...

Actually I believe the AVA uses two different traps - and one of them is the humane trap that we use as well. It's the same cat trap. So I don't think it's the fault of the trap. However obviously people trapping for sterilisation will treat the cats completely differently from people who are trapping to kill the cats.

27/11/06 11:46 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If AVA doesn't sterilise, why would they have CWS humane trap?
The heavy AVA death trap is a curse, I see it as a coffin. Coffin has some closure and dignity, the trap is a mark of an insane society...complain, trap and kill.

28/11/06 12:41 AM  
Blogger Dawn said...

I know that their recent acquisition looks like the Tru-Catch which is the one ours is similar to as well.

AVA's concept is that the cats must be humanely treated even though they are being killed - ie they should not be treated badly just because they are being killed at the end of it. I am not sure though this is shared by the people who do not want the cats around.

28/11/06 4:14 AM  
Blogger budak said...

I find it strange that people living in homes with gardens (so-called landed property) can't accept the idea that cats (as well as a myriad of other creatures from birds to bats) will at times enter the area. Why not get traps to trap and dispose of every bird that might fly into or over the garden and poo onto the lawn? Or fumigate everyday to kill every insect?

28/11/06 9:48 AM  
Blogger koratmao said...

Ha ha Budak,
You just reminded me of coming across one inccident whereby one house complaining to NEA and forcing another house to trim some trees botak just because the falling leaves are clogging his roof top and causing possible mosiquito breeding. Wonder what our forefathers did in kampongs? Now it seems every act of nature has an owner you can get back to.

28/11/06 11:13 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here's another question: why does AVA allow people to trap their neighbour's cats? Clearly cats that have tipped ears or collars are being cared for by someone yet they are still taken away by AVA. They can't claim that they don't know that the cats belong to someone in instances like this yet they continue to do it.

28/11/06 12:10 PM  
Blogger Dawn said...

The argument is that because the cats are on some one else's property that they have a right to trap the cats. I'm not sure that's actually true. we have had cases where we heard the person trapping removed the collar. I have spoken with a few people about this, but no one so far has decided to challenge it yet.

28/11/06 12:19 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

my heart ached when i read that letter.
anyways, i have another problem. today i saw 3 children throwing their ball & then throwing stones at a not-so-big-size black cat near my area. it was traumatised it was hiding under a bush & i chased the children away & one boy actually shouted behind me, "KILL THE CAT!!"
i stroked the cat for a while & it was better & not hurt i think.

i was jus wondering, under such circumstances, 3 disgustingly broughtup kids, vs one me. & one helpless cat. wat can i do? as in wat else can i do other than chase the kids away simply this time round?

clearly many kids arent educated abt animal abuse.
not liking cats is one thing.
bullying cats is another.
pls advice, for this worries me.

28/11/06 7:44 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I will approach the boy, ask him why he wanted to behave badly, like a bully. I will find out his name, his school and if possible where he stays. You can chase them away once, they will repeat the same aggressive if not murderous way in future to all the cats.

I will write a letter to the school and hope to get a proper reply. SPCA should also be informed.
This child is not innocent, he has violent thoughts and already acting like a bully. I will tell the child if he is caught killing the cat, the police will come to his house. If children say they will kill the cats, they will kill the cats.

When you see injured cats or dead cats in the area, will you be able to know where to find them?

28/11/06 11:44 PM  
Blogger Dawn said...

Yes you can (and should) call the police. If they are uniform, write to the school AND the Ministry of Education and inform them about the boys' behaviour.

Whatever you do, you must follow up with what you said - ie don't say, I will call the police and NOT do it. You want them to know you're being serious.

As the second Anonymous said, this is not just a matter of childish pranks. If this violent tendency is not curbed in children, they may become much worse the older they grow.

29/11/06 2:31 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

yes thanx for those advice. but when the children were bullying the cat, their mother & grandmother were actually nearby talking. they didnt bother abt wat their children were doing & i cant possibly grab the children or say call the police with their mother around.
besides, if i called the police, wouldnt the poor cat have to be hurt til the police came for the children to be 'caught redhanded'?
& besides, do singapore police really care abt calls like children stoning cats etc.
we've heard complaints abt how selective & ignorant police can be abt certain cases.

29/11/06 5:36 AM  
Anonymous Elaine Jung said...

In the first place, traps should never have been used and such AVA traps should be BAN!
In this modern days in a modern city, I am very shocked that such uncivilised method have been approved by the authority.
Stray cats should have the right to live and freedom to roam about.

29/11/06 7:06 AM  
Anonymous isabel said...

yea i agree. how on earth did such inhumane methods be approved in the first place. its very saddening in such a modern society. the way pple place themselves above animals. maybe we shld petition & ban culling.

29/11/06 7:42 AM  
Anonymous Elaine Jung said...

Ban traps, ban culling.
Yes to sterilization, yes to cats in HDB.

29/11/06 7:53 AM  
Blogger Dawn said...

Anonymous - don't grab the kids. Whatever you do, please don't touch them. You could perhaps consider talking to the mother the next time. After all, if she's there, this is a great opportunity to speak to the parent who is standing there.

Also there is no need to call the police and leave the cat to be abused. You can do both - ie tell the children to stop, AND call the police.

Did you speak to the mother and grandmother?

29/11/06 10:04 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

About Anonymous who witnessed the boys who shouted," Kill the cats".

Agree, you must not grab the boys or engage them physically but speak with a firm, authoritative voice and look at them in the eyes. After speaking to them, I will inform his parents. Some will apologise for their kids behaviour and some don't.

Once I was in Botanic Gradens, few kids were chasing and beating some swans. I immediately told the kids to stop in a raised voice and it was good their parents were around.

But they said they were only kids and later, I got the park rangers to go after them.

29/11/06 10:09 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Perhaps CWS can hold talks in schools about what bad kids do and how others can help report cruelty cases. Award them badges during school assembly.

29/11/06 10:13 AM  
Blogger Dawn said...

Anonymous the most important thing is really to try and arrest the situation at that point. For example if the parents actively think it's fine to allow their children to abuse cats, talks at schools aren't going to be really useful. I think it's more important that parents and teachers set the right example.

At the talk we did recently at one of the schools, one of the girls in fact mentioned she had abused cats and it felt good. I don't think what we said had much of an impact on her.

29/11/06 12:39 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

yes. the boy was throwing stones at the black cat & was laughing as if it was a very funny game. den he told the other boy "LETS GET MORE ROCKS!!" & he really went to dig for somemore stones, that was when i intervened & they ran away to play basketball while their mother & grandmother were still ignorant. yes i think nxt time i shld speak to their mother.
its horrible.
im afraid they will do it again.
anyway, does anyone noe how long does it take for the police to arrive if i make a call?

29/11/06 1:22 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Do you rememer their faces and which basketball court or blk no. did they go?

Waiting for police to arrive is one thing, capture them in the act is another. They can deny they ever hurt the cats, they can say they were only playing and meant no harm. Best to capture them with your handphone video.

The kids will hurt the cats and generally nobody would care unless we stop the bad kids.

29/11/06 3:10 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The girl who enjoyed killing cats is a disgrace to her school. It was good CWS exposed her evil deeds.

29/11/06 3:12 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i think the kids live on the blk right where they bullied the poor black cat. because later they went up in the lift. i noe the blk but its of no use now.
my hp video is not in good condition cos its unzoomable & laggy.
yes i think i shall get a new hp soon with better camera & video function to get all these intolerable behaviour down as solid evidence.
though im an ultimate cat lover & caregiver, its the first time in my life encountering such a situation so i was a little stunned & did not know wat's best to do other than chase the kids away.
thanks for the advice of all. i really appreciate it. :)

29/11/06 3:35 PM  
Blogger Dawn said...

Anonymous it's natural to be taken aback and sometimes not sure how to react because you don't expect it. Sometimes someone just saying that they're doing the wrong thing is what is needed.

29/11/06 10:58 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The boy is a potential cat killer. He is instigating his friends to stone the cat and this address or blk should be made known to the kitty detectives.

30/11/06 12:31 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nov 30, 2006
Trapped cats mustn't be subjected to abuse

I REFER to the letter, 'Control stray cats but have some regard for their welfare' (ST, Nov 27), by Mdm Lim Swee Eng.

The Agri-Food & Veterinary Authority (AVA) assures Mdm Lim that we will not condone cruelty to animals. The problem of stray cats is a complex one, the control of which requires a multi-prong approach. This includes public education on responsible pet ownership to deter pet abandonment, and routine culling of strays.

Management bodies of residential or commercial estates are advised to engage the services of pest-control companies to remove stray cats from their premises.

AVA's Centre for Animal Welfare and Control (CAWC) loans cat traps to management bodies of estates or residents troubled by stray cats on their premises to help reduce the population of strays. The loan of traps and collection of trapped cats is a free service provided by AVA. The cats caught are then sent to CAWC to be humanely euthanised.

Prior to the loan of traps, AVA reminds all borrowers that cruelty to animals is an offence and trapped cats must not be subjected to any abuse.

We would like to clarify that although the usual loan period is two weeks, it can be extended in cases where the stray population is large and the borrowers are consistently able to trap strays.

Borrowers are advised not to set up the trap over weekends and public holidays so that the animal will not be confined during these periods. In the event that any cat is trapped, borrowers must ensure that the cat's welfare is not compromised until it is collected by AVA.

In the case mentioned by Mdm Lim, the borrower had informed AVA whenever there were trapped cats. The borrower had set up the trap in the porch. The cats, when collected by AVA officers, were found to be in good condition and sheltered from the elements.

Our staff has assured Mdm Lim that we will continue to remind cat-trap borrowers that trapped cats must be looked after properly to ensure that the animals are not subjected to cruelty.

We would like to remind pet owners not to abandon their pets and to have them sterilised to reduce the number of unwanted animals.

Goh Shih Yong
Assistant Director
Corporate Communications
for Chief Executive Officer
Agri-Food & Veterinary Authority
Ministry of National Development

30/11/06 12:11 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

AVA nned to explain why some cats were found dead in the traps or while in transit from collection point to destruction hell hole.
With heavy usage of AVA traps over decades, not a single one punished?

Why confine its role to loan of traps when it can sterilise strays like CWS?

30/11/06 1:14 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

My neighbour had a trap in the garden, no cover, totally exposed to the sun and rain, no water either so its irresponsible of AVA to loan traps out when they can't be 100% sure how users are treating captured cats. Only cat people are the ones doing the monitoring.

30/11/06 1:19 PM  
Blogger Dawn said...

Anonymous could you please report your neighbour to the AVA please? You're right about the monitoring - unfortunately it's very much monitored by caregivers.

30/11/06 4:07 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I managed to release the cat from neighbour's house and cat is staying with me now. Thanks.

30/11/06 7:03 PM  
Blogger Dawn said...

Glad to hear the cat is doing well.

1/12/06 2:57 PM  

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