Wednesday, November 29, 2006

ST (29-11-06)

Responses to the article on the cat traps used in today's Straits Times. It's good to see so many people wrote in :-

Forget the Cat Traps

An inclusive society includes cats as well

Don't kill the cats

Keeping cats out of the garden


Anonymous Elaine Jung said...

Yes Dawn, so great of them to write in about the sad sad trapping of stray cats and provide solutions. Hope AVA and those 'cat-offended people' will adopt these humane methods of scaring away stray cats out of their property.Also AVA should seriously considering stopping the loan of such traps without adequate monitoring resources.

29/11/06 10:59 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Having read all these letters I would like to highlight my own experience with stray cats.
I've been living in my estate for slighty more than a year now and the population of stray cats has grown from 2 to 7. So it's not entirely true that the 'vaccum' left by the trapped cats will be replaced. Rather the root of the problem is irresponsible feeding. If there's no food source, would there be an increasing number of cats being attracted here (a point you had brought up yourself in one of your earlier post)? There are at least three people feeding the stays outside my house! Instead of just feeding them and feel virtuous abt themselves, why dont they go all the way and find homes for them instead? Better yet why dont they bring the strays home?
To those who say "I dont understand how much of a problem stray cats can cause", this is how much; imagine having to deal with paw marks and scratches on your car, paw marks on your walls, faeces in your garden etc.
Its not that we are not animal lovers in fact if circumstances permit I would have kept a dog myself. But being responsible, I chose not to. So to have to deal with all these unsolicited problems is Extremely frustrating. I have had to waste money on animal repllants, spent time cleaing up all the mess left by the strays, have my car cover chewed up and ripped! Again if I wanted to deal with all these, I would have gotten my own pet.
Also, have you all considered that there might be people who are afraid or have a phobia for cats? How would you like it if everytime you need to go into your kitchen but are afraid to do so and have to peer cautiously in to check if there's any stays that have wandered in? Home is supposed to be everyone's sanctury, not a place you should have to feel constantly afraid! Yes you might say we can always install a mesh. But why should we non pet owners be the ones to be penalised by having to put up with such inconvenience and unnecessary expenses?
So before anyone criticises cat trappers, I hope they would try to put themselves in their shoes first. Just as there will always be people who dont clean up after feeding, there will be people who dont follow the advice of AVA when trapping cats.

29/11/06 11:40 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think "anonymous" pinpoint the problem to "irresponsible feeding", so is killing (no need to munch the word here)going to stop the feeders? Is "anonymous" insinuating that since it is against the law to kill your fellow human beings (i.e. the feeers), it is ok to kill cats even if they are not responsible for their own existence?
Please don't declare that you love animals until you can watch the cats being killed at the AVA.

**another anonymous**

29/11/06 11:55 AM  
Blogger Dawn said...

Yes Anonymous - how will killing the cats stop the problem of people feeding? As I mentioned in my letter, it is important to get to the root of the problem - and you've pointed out the root of the problem yourself, the people feeding and NOT sterilising.

As for the vaccum effect, if the number of cats is increasing, I'm not sure how this disproves the theory. I think you may have misunderstood what we were trying to say, which is that removing the cats means new cats move in. If you are saying that removing the cats HAS caused the population to increase, then you are in effect agreeing with the theory.

Sterilised cats however do help to keep the population in check because sterilised cats are more territorial and will keep new cats out.

As for food source if you've read a few of my earlier entries, you'll see that it has been shown that food is not the reason cats move in. It is due to territory. For example, you may eat out every day at a restaurant, it doesn't mean that you leave there.

Have you spoken to the people who feed outside your house? What did they say?

As for bringing the cats home, this WILL cause the vacuum effect to kick in.

As we mentioned, we are looking for a long term permanent solution. It doesn't mean we don't empathise with people who are having problems with cats. I think we made it quite clear we are prepared to help. However if people do not want to ask for help then there is nothing we can do.

29/11/06 12:35 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Phobia is a mental disorder.
The person with phobia needs to "kill" the phobia with appropriate treatment.
Killing cats will not cure the phobia.
Imagine if everyone with phobia is to give vent to his or her unfounded fear by killing the object of the phobia, this earth will be one huge killing-field.
Perhaps adopting a docile cat can help to eradicate this abnormal fear of cats. This home cat will also repay the kindness by keeping outside cats out.
Now this is "killing" two problems with one cat :)
I have friends who overcame their phobia of dogs by living with one or more.
Try it.

29/11/06 1:24 PM  
Anonymous isabel said...

i agree with the above anonymous. im a psychology student, & phobia is a psychological disorder in which is a fear of any specific object. & this fear is often not permanent & can actually be 'un-conditioned' in the way mentioned by the above anonymous.
killing the cats wont solve the problem. countering ur own phobia will.
saying that pple have phobia for cats is merely an excuse, & its definitely not the cats' fault that u have a phobia for them.
imagine saying that u want to kill all the cats around u so that u wont get to see them & get to be afraid. its absurd.
besides, countering ur own phobia will do urself long-term good.

29/11/06 1:38 PM  
Anonymous nicole said...

To quote the 1st anonymous:

"Yes you might say we can always install a mesh. But why should we non pet owners be the ones to be penalised by having to put up with such inconvenience and unnecessary expenses?"

im going to be straightforward here, just hope to say that if pple like anonymous1, have the financial means to buy a house & car(s), why shld they make a big fuss about having to install a wire mesh? wire mesh wld most probably not cost over 50 dollars. & this cheap wire mesh, is going to keep the cats out for eternity. its nonetheless the simplest & most humane of all investments.

the problem lies with whether such home owners r WILLING to make this tiny effort to prevent the cats frm entering their houses or not.

29/11/06 2:00 PM  
Blogger oscar said...

Anonymous, being an animal lover (not only a dog lover), one will accept what the animals had done. Being an animal lover, one will not classify the animal as a stray and not a stray. In all animal lovers’ heart, all animals are treated with respect. Please think before you classify yourself as animal lover. Are you?

29/11/06 2:20 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To the 1st anonymous, if you have taken a step to talk to any of the “at least 3 feeders” outside your house, I believe you don’t even need to post this at all. You would definitely be a happier person from day 1! Some feeders may not understand there are just some people who can’t tolerate another small harmless existence in their path.
Yes, I do agree there are irresponsible feeders who toss the food but so are spit and litter everywhere by creatures like you and me. Are you going to find another home free from these “creatures”? I feed at my area, received my fair share of hurls and stares but really.. what’s the big problem besides some paw marks or fur on your car?! Do you actually complain to the trees or the birds when you find leaves or bird poo on your big piece of metal? In fact I think feeding cats help to reduce the litter problem. People know there are feeders so they don’t just fling leftover food out the window or some are just afraid to find a curry covered me knocking at their door. Really, if people can just be more compassionate towards these animals or each other. Ok, fine if you still don’t like cats, then see them as you would to any eyesore on the streets, there is no need to cause so much misery to yourself because … cats are here to stay!
Have a good heart & open mind. Animals do make the world go round and one a happier being. I really wish you had one!

29/11/06 2:49 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To anonymous 1
Quote "Home is supposed to be everyone's sanctury, not a place you should have to feel constantly afraid!"

The true sanctuary is a kind heart that can be at peace anytime and anywhere because he or she has brought no harm to another, even if it were a cat. You sound like a very unhappy person who seems to have achieved an enviable level of material acquisitions, yet you get upset over inanimate things like car covers, "your" property, etc. I wonder if you ever brought up kid who are certainly more destructive in their formative years but you choose to see such behaviour as "cute" because you "love" them.

This issue is NOT about cat crazy lovers vs cat crazy haters. This is about offering suggestions on alternatives to trapping and killing cats.
Aren't you sick of reading about killings in the newspapers day after day after day?
Have you ever stop to wonder why is this world getting more and more violent each day?
Why do you have to build a wall around your property if you are NOT already afraid of creatures other than cat?

29/11/06 3:18 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To the first anonymous who worry about feeders, new kittens, car cover, cat paws, fear peering into backyard, I can understand.

I live in a rather huge house, expensive German made cars and my reaction to feeders is one of joy knowing they are attending to the homeless and hungry and I am proud to have them in my neighbourhood.

Wordly possessions without a heart will rendered you weak and self-centred.

Why should feeders bring the cats home? Do you bring beggars home?

Removing food source is not the solution, it's only getting them out of your 'territory' because humans are more aggressive and territorial just look at the no. of crimes and wars.

If you need me to sponsor the mesh wire and sterilise the cats, I will gladly help. Cheer up, life is more than car, house, things and fear. It's about a little kindness we can spread around.

29/11/06 3:33 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

to 1st annoymous - you have to be kind to others even the animals around you near and far. you obviously like a clean, BIG, nice house. but don't we all? but we care enough for those who have no voice and welcome them and not fuss about a little fur here and there, a little paw mark here and there. well, you are obviously not suited to have a pet and i trust you not to have a pet! would you like to include the bird's, roaches, lizard, ants, etc, marks???? how about watching animal planet? that will help you to understand the animals better. i can't imagine what the animal conservationists will say about you? tsk tsk tsk.

29/11/06 3:43 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To all, the fact is not everyone shares the kind of love you have for cats and you cannot force them to do so. Using psychology to explain what a phobia is doesn't make it go away and many people don't know how to face their phobias.

Put yourself in these people's shoes, they are already terrified of cats, they don't want to go near them and now cats enter their backyard thanks to neighbours who feed the cats. Of course they will feel upset.

As for the mesh issue.. once again... it is not a matter of just getting the mesh and how cheap it is etc. Imagine a soccer pitch is built next to your house and the goal post faces your front door. Every day balls fly in and hit your front door. Do you go install a fence at your own expenses and say "oh kids playing football.... we must be more tolerant and learn to coexists.." same theory with the cats and mesh, they are thinking why on earth must I be paying for something this is of no fault of mine?

As for feeders not bringing cats home, actually cats are not natural. They are abandoned pets or descendents of abandoned pets. By feeding them indiscrimately, and in some cases not sterlizing, the population explodes. TRNM is not entirely successful now because it has not achieved 100 percent target pentration. So we still have cats breeding. Cats that nobody wants. We see in pet forums, people always talking about going for cat shows, about this breed and that breed. And alot of times about wanting to adopt this and that breed of kitten. But when offered strays, not a single response. And you call yourself cat lovers... or sorry do you mean predigree cat lovers. So now I believe we have tons of stray cats, and kittens that no one wants. Frankly are allowing cats in the wild such a great thing especially when they are not wild in the first place but are a result of our irresponsibility? Comparing them to birds is not a correct comparsion because birds are natural in their habitat and cats are not.

For me I personally hope for a successful TRNM program and that finally in the next 20 years there will be no more cats in the streets. Cats in homes yes, Cats with homes that are taking a walk yes, but not strays that are suffering because of our wish to see "cats in the wild"

29/11/06 4:32 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Forgot to add, I am not the second anonymous, I am just giving my opinon. Especially when I see this is a constant debate that has no result and frankly in a losing end for those who love cats.

29/11/06 4:35 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

no one is forcing anyone to do anything they don't fancy so no one is forcing anonymous 1 to like animals and cats. such things can't be forced, as if you don't know. so don't blame the cats for people who don't want to overcome their phobias. it is a lousy excuse to say i have phobias (all the time in once lifetime). it is not the cats' fault that some people are afraid of cats. they should be upset of themselves and not the cats. there will be animals around us in this planet earth we share. it is very naive to say that TNRm is not successful as it takes a long time before success. pls do your research as TNRm is proven! it is best not to pen down your opinion if you are not too sure. excuse me but we go for the community cats. pedigree isn't important at all. a cat is a cat. you must have gotten mixed up with other people who exhibit their cats in exhibitions for competition. that is totally another category of people who dun do community cat work. so what have you done for the community cats, may i ask? let me quote you "but are a result of our irresponsibility?" .... get it??? thank you. no more cats in 20years time? so naive! i think you have to understand so many things before you write more. your last paragraph and your last comment at 4.35pm ....... again, so naive. tsk tsk tsk ......

29/11/06 6:35 PM  
Anonymous Aminah Bee said...

This may surprise you, but I ever borrowed cat trap from AVA for trapping cats for sterilization.
The AVA staff handling my request astonished that I ask for loan of cat trap not for cats send to AVA for culling, but for sending the cats to other vets (not AVA vets) for sterilization. Nonetheless my request was granted. This was about 3 years ago, shortly before the SARS crisis -- when TC approved of Stray Cats Sterilization Scheme.
Now that Stray Cats Sterilization Scheme cancelled, wondering whether AVA allow their cat traps use to capture cats for sterilization?
A more humane alternative to reduce the over-population of stray cats is -
Sterilization, not culling, help to reduce the over-population of stray cats.

29/11/06 7:37 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree that phobia is a lousy excuse. I have phobia of insects, even ants. That's why I make effort to keep insects out of my house, including meshing up all my windows and even to the extent of not having sugar in my house. I refuse to eat anything that could possibly leave crumbs in my house etc. Very paranoid about insects, but still make effort prevent them from wanting to come into my house what? Why can't those people who have phobia about cats do the same? Especially when it's easier to keep cats away than keep insects away.

No program is 100% successful. Even death sentence doesn't stop murderers from killing, so that point is irrelevant, as long as TRNM is above 50% effective, still pretty good. End of the day, just because you stop feeding cats and starve them to death. This will not stop irresponsible breeders from breeding and will not stop cats from multiplying. Your solution is hitting out at the wrong source.

Before you hurl accusation of people wanting only pedigree, maybe you should do your research on the number of cat defenders, whether they own DSH or not. Even in the forums, many own strays as well as pedigree, so I don't know where you get that idea from.

29/11/06 8:30 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"why should we non pet owners be the ones to be penalised by having to put up with such inconvenience and unnecessary expenses? "

All of us have doors to our houses. We have fences around our houses. Why? To keep strangers from walking right in.
Others have mosquito screens at their windows to keep mossies out.
We have our windows closed and air-conditioning on - to keep warm air out.
And the list goes on......

29/11/06 8:37 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Phobia for cats? I got a phobia for work. It is an over-used word to achieve one's ends.
I used to be terrified of cockroaches - creepy crawlies. After a few biology classes studying them, I learned to admire how beautiful their features are - what is there to be afraid of??

29/11/06 8:50 PM  
Anonymous EJ said...

Can someone please lighten me up about what damages can noisy stray cats do to your property or to you? Does you or your love ones' lives being threatened by intruding stray cats? In the west, residents have to put up with bears roaming in their backyard or neighbouring areas.So much fuss about property rights. If you are blessed with living in landed property, you should be grateful to share some space with homeless stray animals.Urbanisation does take land away from wildlife. Furthermore, the situation are aggravated by the fact that cats are still not legally allowed in HDB.HDB should considering a trial or pilot scheme of allowing cats.Move forward and try out.
Since people are in agreement that sterisation and not culling is the best solution.Then why 'The Stray Cats Sterilization Scheme' by TC was cancelled?

29/11/06 9:24 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

may i noe wat do pple do with bawling babies & noisy children? set up babytraps & trap em up?

for the ignorant person who said we cat lovers only go for pedigree cats, pls, u have offended a lot of us.

i particularly, am a caregiver, a responsible feeder & i dont have a single cat at home, let alone a pedigree. i love cats, especially stray cats. i cld bring them home if i cld, but i am not the only one living in my house & therefore there're family constraints.

to say that no one wants to bring strays home & choose to feed them outside instead, is just pure ignorance. many other caregivers i noe have already housed many strays that its impossible to accommodate another one.

pls stop hurling & making empty accusations & assumptions for they make u sound shallow.

29/11/06 9:44 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ok agree air con keeps warm air out, fences keep intruders out but what can motivate people to keep negative thoughts out? The ' keep them out ' mentality reminds me of the dream the pope had about all the well to do households chasing the mother cat and her kittens away and finally, down the street, a humble little house finally welcome the cats and gave them food and shelter.

Feeding the stray cats out in the streets is a beautiful sight to behold because it is about the spirit of caring and sharing.
Humans or animals, it matters to keep the world in balance.

I will freak out if this world only contains people. Humans are the most deadly predators of all.

29/11/06 10:22 PM  
Anonymous EJ said...

'Feeding the stray cats out in the streets is a beautiful sight to behold because it is about the spirit of caring and sharing.
Humans or animals, it matters to keep the world in balance.'
Totally agreed with this! Humans should count themselves lucky with feeders around. When adults shows their act of compassion and sharing towards their fellowman,neighbours and animals, it will set up a good example for chilren to follow.
Animals are always at the mercy of humans and cannot speak out. We, humans, have a choice of ignoring sufferings or speak out on their behalf.

29/11/06 10:30 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I apologise that I didnt make myself clear, the line about predigree cats owners refers to those I mentioned in forums. Those that whine about stray cats being given a right to live etc etc but only keep predigree cats and when asked if want to adopt strays simply keep quiet. It was in no way referring to anyone here. It was an oversight on my part not to word it correctly.

As for feeding strays being a sign of caring... I beg to differ. I would say those who feed irresponsibly feed just to appease their ego that they are doing good, they are gaining good karma. As I still stick to my point strays are not natural and they should not exist in the first place. TRNM is not 100 percent effective, if it was why does CWS has a load of kittens for adoption? That is a fact.

Monkeys too exists in Singapore but do they interact with us except around nature reserves? The reasoning being we dont feed them and leave them to their own devices which fits them well as they are adapted to their environnment.

For cats, there is constant cry for them to allow to live. Yes I agree to live yes but not to populate. Because they are not natural and they do not thrive without us and become dependent. They also have to content with diseases and cars etc, things that they don't have to face if their owners didnt abandon them in the first place.

29/11/06 11:00 PM  
Blogger Dawn said...

I think Anonymous has certain misconceptions that need clearing up.

Firstly, if we didn't have cats on the streets all of us would be happy. of course we want to see every cat in a home but that's not happening right now and will not till TNRM is more widely practiced.

Secondly, why hasn't TNRM been more successful? Because it just started! We only started in the late 1990s - other countries have been doing it for far longer then we have AND it's a medium to long term programme. You won't see a decrease immediately of course. Plus we need more resources to carry it out. We're a small country and if we put more resources in, then that would be great.

Thirdly, I'm not sure how you classify 'wild' and 'not wild'. Monkeys are only in the nature reserves because we're cutting down their habitats and forcing them in - they used to be around. 15 years ago, I had a monkey in my garden. And you may have read about people in Upper Thomson saying the monkeys are entering their homes.

As for cats, at which point do they stop being domesticated and start being wild? The definition of stray or feral is actually a domesticated animal that has reverted to its wild state - and many of these cats have never seen the inside of homes - nor have the generations before them.

I think you're assuming that cats on the street are all the result of abandonment. Not so. Many of them have been there all along. How are they 'not natural'? If anything, people are 'not natural' because we cut down the trees and the natural environment and start building concrete structures. There's hardly anything less 'natural' then people. If we wanted to go back to being 'natural', then we should stop driving cars, living in buildings, and eating processed food.

Why are there kittens for adoption? For many different reasons. For example, a good TNRM programme involves adoption. If you're starting a colony out, the best thing to do is to try and get adoptable kittens off the streets. Yes there is abandonment, and yes that should be arrested - but again how is the fault of the cat?

I think Anonymous that you have to understand we WANT to control the population of the cats which is what you're saying too. What we're saying is killing does not work. If it did, then why are we as a country killing 13000 cats every year for the last 25 years and not seeing any decrease in the number of cats?

29/11/06 11:18 PM  
Blogger Dawn said...

For the Anonymous person who mentioned that people should not have to put up wire meshes or have to put up with balls flying into their homes, a lot of people actually do. I know someone who's school field used to be next to a house and where the balls went flying in regularly. They would just get their balls back. The people there understood they were just kids and were gracious enough to accept that, because after all, what was the big inconvenience to them?

The point is that people have phobias of everything. Some people have a phobia of water, some of light, just about anything you can think of. I used to be scared of cats myself.

The point is if you used a scarecrow or some mesh or some other possibilities, the cats wouldn't come in. Or as the first Anonymous suggested, keep a dog.

Does it involve some effort on your part? Sure. But at the same time, we put locks on our doors and fences on our gardens. That takes effort too - and we could similarly argue that people should not be walking onto our property but we take ACTIVE measures to keep them out.

29/11/06 11:26 PM  
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29/11/06 11:30 PM  
Blogger vegancat said...

Yes i agree that there should not be "strays" or I prefer the word "homeless". We, homo-sapiens, domesticated the "wild" cats thousands of years ago but now abandon them on the streets to fend for themselves against cars, against people who think they are pests, etc. because they are no longer of utility value to us.
By feeding them, and please do make a distinction between responsible feeding and irresponsible feeding, we keep them from being nuisance to people who will not tolerate them at food courts, at their garbage bins, etc. In this sense, feeders do perform a service by keeping cats around feeding areas.
Now karma is a complex concept. It is not simply, feeding and reaps "good" karma. Compassion without applying wisdom is sometimes termed as idiotic compassion. I see this in my estate with irresponsible feeding of cats and pigeons that result in complaints and sometimes their death by pest control people.
Hence we who have slightly more wisdom such as the people of the CWS, will try and educate such feeders to be responsible and to sterilize the cats.
Even in witch-hunt era, cats were not eradicated, so do you think our very "young" and scattered TnRM, with NO support from the government, can bring the cat population down to zero now or dreamily 20 years' time?
There are estates where TnRM has worked, as testified even by a TC officer on this blog. Although the cats are still around, they are managed and this is the success of TnRM, not hitting ZERO cats to be deemed successful.
Cats are not monkeys. If only they can climb trees to pluck fruits or fly like pigeons and feed on insects, then we won't have to jolly leave them alone and spend our time kara-oking instead of sweating out nights after nights waiting for that elusive cat to walk into the trap. (Are we stupid or what?)
Unfortunately they are not wild like monkeys and pigeons.
They are homeless just like our homeless human beings.
They need our help to stop being killed at 13,000 a year after year after year after year. Can you hear the shrieking of the cats as they are being hulled to the "gallow"......for what crime? But for our grossly deluded perception that this earth is created for Man and Man alone.

29/11/06 11:34 PM  
Anonymous EJ said...

TNRM program is not an overnight success and its result takes time.If a strong program is enforced now, few years down the road you can see a great reduction in cats population.
Even then there will still be strays in the street due to neglect or abandonment.That's why adoption program are always needed to be in place.

29/11/06 11:38 PM  
Blogger Dawn said...

Yes - and maybe stronger enforcement to catch people abandoning animals. Let's do something progressive instead of just throwing our hands up, and saying there's nothing we can do. There is plenty that can be done - it's a question of whether we want to be effective and humane, or continue killing without seeing any progress either.

30/11/06 12:02 AM  
Anonymous yours truly said...

Dear Anonymous11.00am: 1) Most things in this old old, old world isn't natural; for goodness' sake. 2) You seemed egoistical and is obscene to make some of the statements you made. 3) People feed and take care of stray animals because they understand that animals can suffer, feel pain and are unable to speak. 4) These humans have empathy for animals. 5) They care enough to feed a hungry cat, they care enough to bring a hurting stray in pain to the vet and they care enough to sterilize stray cats just so that less abuse will take place. 6) I never believed in the notion of "good karma" but I take care of stray animals. 7) Many stray animal caregivers I know are humble individuals with humble personalities and have a good dose of humility in their temperament. 8) Cats are not monkeys and monkeys are not cats. 9) TNRM is effective - unless your eyesight is severely compromised. 10) Sorry, there will still be cats tomorrow.

30/11/06 12:28 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

to annonymous 11pm - cats are wild? you have got to be kidding? then the zoo shouuld have a place for them for people to visit huh? why didn't the zoo have cats to view? duh! BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT WILD!!! if feeding cats is to appease the feeders egos - then lots of rich people should be feeding huh? again DUH! it comes from the heart of a kind soul ! do u ever notice how these people attire? simple tees, worn out short, flip flops - u call that ego? its real people doing what they have little in their pockets and still giving out food to the cats - cos they care. do you??? TNRM has not achieved 100% yet cos it is a new scheme (yes, new cos it only started in the 90's). you are wrong to say that TNRM is not 100% effective. cws has an adoption list cos mindless senseless people keep throwing their new born kitties as they are irresponsible not to sterilise their pets conveniently! you should thank cws for helping! 'not natural' - what does the label say? no fat, less sugar, expiry date? come on! are you not natural as well? i guess so. check out your label! i think your last sentence ..... you said it right yourself! so go tell people not to abandon their pets and cats! get it???

30/11/06 8:44 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i am a feeder, & i am not rich, neither do i feed cats to "appease my ego" or make myself feel "virtuous", instead sometimes i have to put up with stares & glares though i feed responsibly. i feed strays because some of them r really skinny & there's barely anything that they can get frm wandering around. besides, its not their fault that they exist & that they have no home.
i put aside a sum of my salary for community cats because of my passionate love for them & because i care for other beings other than myself.

30/11/06 9:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

People who think "CATS" and not "I" then they are doing it for the cats. Whether you are rich or poor does not matter.

30/11/06 9:29 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I wonder what some people say about Jane Godall
But who cares :)

30/11/06 9:58 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nov 30, 2006
Trapped cats mustn't be subjected to abuse

I REFER to the letter, 'Control stray cats but have some regard for their welfare' (ST, Nov 27), by Mdm Lim Swee Eng.

The Agri-Food & Veterinary Authority (AVA) assures Mdm Lim that we will not condone cruelty to animals. The problem of stray cats is a complex one, the control of which requires a multi-prong approach. This includes public education on responsible pet ownership to deter pet abandonment, and routine culling of strays.

Management bodies of residential or commercial estates are advised to engage the services of pest-control companies to remove stray cats from their premises.

AVA's Centre for Animal Welfare and Control (CAWC) loans cat traps to management bodies of estates or residents troubled by stray cats on their premises to help reduce the population of strays. The loan of traps and collection of trapped cats is a free service provided by AVA. The cats caught are then sent to CAWC to be humanely euthanised.

Prior to the loan of traps, AVA reminds all borrowers that cruelty to animals is an offence and trapped cats must not be subjected to any abuse.

We would like to clarify that although the usual loan period is two weeks, it can be extended in cases where the stray population is large and the borrowers are consistently able to trap strays.

Borrowers are advised not to set up the trap over weekends and public holidays so that the animal will not be confined during these periods. In the event that any cat is trapped, borrowers must ensure that the cat's welfare is not compromised until it is collected by AVA.

In the case mentioned by Mdm Lim, the borrower had informed AVA whenever there were trapped cats. The borrower had set up the trap in the porch. The cats, when collected by AVA officers, were found to be in good condition and sheltered from the elements.

Our staff has assured Mdm Lim that we will continue to remind cat-trap borrowers that trapped cats must be looked after properly to ensure that the animals are not subjected to cruelty.

We would like to remind pet owners not to abandon their pets and to have them sterilised to reduce the number of unwanted animals.

Goh Shih Yong
Assistant Director
Corporate Communications
for Chief Executive Officer
Agri-Food & Veterinary Authority
Ministry of National Development

30/11/06 12:12 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Of course the TNR is successful. 100% to be exact because sterilised cats do not multipy.
The spirit of volunteerism is to reach out to the strays and sterilise them, not how many in terms of numbers but keep the momentum going.

Those who stare, glare and condemn feeders have no clues about homelessness and suffering. They make template 'keep the place hygienic' statements.

Stray feeeders are the best people around, they don't live in a pretentious world of fakes, they are self-assured and confident.
They have a wonderful mission in life. May all of them live long and prosper.

30/11/06 1:04 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nothing humane about killing cats, no matter how huamne you euthanise the cats.

If someone were to euthanise you for entering the wrong house, would you consider that humane or should they set you free for tres[passing and give you a free sterilisation.

Free traps loan includes sterilisation is what the cats need. AVA not getting it.

30/11/06 1:29 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Precisely why AVA is impotent. Its anti-cruelty measures simply have no bites because it hasn't got an inkling what cruelty is all about! I totally agree the ridiculous use of the word "humane" to justify its end. I wonder if AVA ever ask people who called to borrow traps what exactly is the problem and send its officers on a field trip to see how "large" the population of strays is and if it indeed justify trapping cats to killed rather than advise callers to contact CWS for advice or to borrow the Scarecrow.

30/11/06 1:46 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Auditing and quality control measures are necessary in AVA to ensure that it doesn't waste public fund with issuing easy solutions to complainants instead of using creativity to solve problems. Has the loan of traps all these years reduce the number of complaints? Is there on record that complainants were given the advice as stated by Mr Goh?
Or is it all just "we say so"?

30/11/06 1:49 PM  
Blogger koratmao said...

Aiyo, strong list... a caring note to anonymous 11.40am. If you do live in a private property, maybe you'l be visited by snakes...
Cats and chickens are good at keeping them away:)) so you see, to from some earlier comments, be like our ancestors and learn to live with animals around, and they will learn to live with you too. Cats are loaded with personality, they can pick up almost immediately who likes them or who's hostile.
I would like to be in your position coping with nature, but now in a HDB i have to cope with inconsiderate human beings:(((
Give mercy to animals who are defenseless to our doings....God bless:))

30/11/06 3:27 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There you go. The fact that certain individuals persistently manage to trap large numbers of cats shows that culling is not working as a population control measure. Where do you think all these cats are coming from? You would think that the neighbourhood would be swarming with cats, but no. This is the vacuum effect at work. That is why the management's basic policy MUST change. This two prong approach that they keep harping on is absolute BS. Culling does not and will not work as a long term solution.

30/11/06 3:41 PM  
Blogger Dawn said...

I once had this conversation with someone who proudly mentioned how many cats he had trapped. I asked if trapping was working so well, where all the cats were coming from?

30/11/06 3:45 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why can't I have monkeys in my backyard? I want monkeys in my backyard. Those of you who don't like animals are kind of sad..

30/11/06 3:45 PM  
Blogger Dawn said...

Sorry Anonymous - I'll tell the monkey if I see him to come visit!

30/11/06 4:02 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Maybe we should remind AVA until the day they are able to loan HUMANE traps, and sterilise every captive they should not be proud of the traps they loan free of charge (!) to public.

Instead of the AVA's offer of free traps and 'humane' euthanasia which the cats and their feeders don't need, we should push for sterilisation as the option.

Shut down the killing facility at AVA and use the space and funds for trap, neuter and release programme. If not, AVA should refrain from using world like ' humane euthanasia.


30/11/06 6:58 PM  
Anonymous isabel said...

i agree.

30/11/06 9:16 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

AVA has repeatedly rejected SPCA's request to be independent observer of the killing process. One wonders what it has got to hide.

30/11/06 10:08 PM  
Anonymous EJ said...

Anony(9.00am) - Kudos to you for showing your compassion in feeding strays responsibly. Not only you spent time and money, you also got to put up with the glares & stares.
Takes lot of courage to do this.
BTW, is there a cat-feeder support group in Singapore? A group where you can exchange & discuss ideas and give each other encouragement and support about feeding responsibly.
Anony(9.58AM) - Jane Goodall is very inspiring. Instead of retirement, she still work so hard on animals conservation and welfare.

It is always like this. The more you don't want strays to be in your property, the more they will come & visit you. The more you cull, the more will appear.
So just trapped, sterilise and release them!

30/11/06 10:47 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Trapping and killing cat is a form of mental disorder, an addiction for those with inferiority complex.
He gets the thrill watching the victim struggles helplessly in the trap. He gives excuses like you mess up my garden and now you must die. He has the illusion of being a warrior, a hunter in his little perverted world, his backyard.

Sick as he is, many continue to be deceived that cats population here is from abandoment. Please wake up AVA, strays are from strays so start sterilising them now, don't put others to sleep while you asleep in your office.

30/11/06 11:33 PM  
Anonymous EJ said...

Maybe it is time AVA considering charging user fees on loaning of traps, collection & culling etc.?

30/11/06 11:55 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

No dawn, I dindnt misunderstand your 'vaccum theory'. What I was trying to say was, no cats were removed but the population had grown as a consequence of an increased number of feeders; more and more cats are drawn here because of all the food that's being left lying around. And these are not kittens so its not a prob of sterilizing.
All I was trying to do was give another side of view and explain the kind of frustrations we face. I certainly didnt accuse all feeders for being irresponsible. I merely pointed out that there'll always be exceptions.
It's not like we are not taking any measures oursleves, we have tried repellants, spraying water at them but they still come in! the cats are climbing over the walls or coming in from our neighbours side. So are we suppose to fence up my entire house?
We certainly dont enjoy having to resort to using traps. We do not derive any pleasure from the process as stated by someone and we certainly do not suffer from any inferiority complex. this was just meant to balance the debate by highlighting the other side. Comments like I'm shallow, self-centered or selfish was totally unnecessary. Suggestions to 'just get over it(phobia)' are flippant and belittle other people's issues. How is that in line with being compassionate? I think you shd get down from your high horses and stop throwing unecessary insults at others.
I didnt say I blame the cats for my fear or for existing. I was just wondering why the feeders dont bring the cats to an area around their own homes (the feeders dont live on my street)?
Like I said, it's precisely because I dont have the time to deal with the inevitable mess that I CHOSE not to have a pet. So is it so hard to try and understand why we are frustrated? How would u like it if someone throws/ splashes faeces into your home?

1/12/06 1:39 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

One more point to "another anonymous", are all cat or animal lovers vegetarians? If not, I dont think they can call themsleves animal lovers too. Are you saying that you can watch cows, sheeps, chicken, lambs even, being killed just because their species are deemed to be food?
Whether one is an animal lover or not has nothing to do with one's viewpoint abt culling cats.

1/12/06 1:51 AM  
Blogger Dawn said...

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1/12/06 3:01 AM  
Blogger Dawn said...

Anonymous I didn't call you ignorant or say you didn't have a problem. We agree that people can have a problem with relation to this and that's why we want to help - but the problem is not the cats.

The question is - have you spoken with the feeders? Are the cats sterilised? It's very simple to see if they are done - check if the left ear is tipped. Sterilised cats are territorial and do limit the number of cats in an area. Do you notice mating noises at night?

As I also mentioned, we have the Scarecrow which you are most welcome to use. It is a motion activated device that will spray water at ANYTHING that moves in your garden. Your spraying water at the cats will only work as long as you are there - but the Scarecrow works even if no one is around.

Again, if the feeders don't live on your street, it's even more important to speak with them. Have you had a word with them and what did they say or do you need help to talk to them?

As for whether someone is an animal lover, arguably one can say that where one can prevent unnecessary death, one would do so - ie not trapping the cats and having them killed because it's not solving the problem and results in unnecessary death. Some would argue eating meat is necessary and fulfills a function (by the way I am vegetarian). So it's not just about being an animal lover - it's also about trying to find a permanent solution which will work, which trapping clearly isn't since clearly is isn't helping.

Let's put it this way - you're frustrated which I can understand. But how is killing the cats helping? Does it stop the people feeding? Does it stop the cats multiplying and coming into your area if they are unsterilised? Does it stop them coming into your yard? So how has trapping solved the problem?

In areas where sterilisation has been carried out,there are LESS cats. One private estate started out with 200 when the volunteer started. I think they are down to just under half that now. Are there LESS feeders? No. In fact she recruited more, but she also was the only one who started sterilising and that's what made the huge difference. The neighbourhood committee in her area was so pleased they officially sanctioned and support the programme because everyone in the neighbourhood started seeing a difference (including people who used to have a problem with the cats).

1/12/06 3:01 AM  
Blogger Dawn said...

By the way on a small side note, it's called the vacuum effect - not the vacuum theory. YIt's the same effect that works with just about anything in nature. Nature abhors a vacuum and will fill it up as we all learnt in school - and it's the same with this as with anything else.

1/12/06 3:04 AM  
Blogger Dawn said...

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1/12/06 3:15 AM  
Blogger Dawn said...

EJ - we did suggest that once but it was a no-go. Do feel free to try again. It does seem to be unfair that everyone is paying to have the cats removed when not everyone has a problem with cats. For example, if you're trapped and removed dozens of cats with no success to putting an end to your problem, why should every other tax payer be subsidising your efforts?

Say I'm not happy with my neighbour because they wash their car and the water goes into my house (which was the basis I think that actually started one of the complaints we dealt with - the neighbour was not unhappy with the cats, he was unhappy with his NEIGHBOUR, and used the cats as an opportunity to get back at her for a long and hostile relationship). Now I can call the police once and they might come down. Maybe even two or three times, but if this continues, the police are going to tell me that there's nothing more they can do and that I have to try and solve the problem myself because it's a problem with the neighbour. Would anyone blame the water? Of course not.

The police would stop coming because it is ineffective and a waste of tax payers' money.

Yet people who are constantly trapping cats (and still complaining about the problems, some of whom do so regularly even years later), are loaned a trap and told to go trap the cat which is then picked up (at one expense), killed (at an expense) and then disposed of (at yet another expense). One would think if anything shows trapping and killing doesn't work, this would.

Why is so much money being wasted? It's time to look for another solution.

If people were told to pay a service fee for each cat trapped,I am sure they would start looking for other alternatives that might have a better permanent chance of working.

1/12/06 3:26 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I can understand anonymous 1:39. When I first moved into my house, I had no idea there would be stay feeders at midnight and cats coming into my garden.

So I approached the stray feeders for help and suggestions. I was smiling and friendly. They said they were feeding outside my place because the cats were found there in the first place. Agreed they should not bring cats from my neighbourhood to their homes whhich is few km away.

They said I was unlike others, only use traps to kill and were hostile. I decided to donate some cash to help get the cats sterilised to keep the strays population down.

There are humane options, contact CWS instead of AVA. You do have a choice. I want my garden to be a place of peace, not slaughter.

1/12/06 8:32 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

My advise for anonymous who felt cats faeces are on his face should get some assistance from animal welfare groups ( avoid AVA at all costs! Even it's free loan of trap. They turn you into a monstrous killer! )

1/12/06 8:48 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree with above. If one can lower one's pride and put away the hurt from being "criticized" if any, these are only suggestions here. No one is pointing a gun at anyone to adopt any of these suggestions. At the end of the day, one makes one's own decision. Most of us here are not fanatic cat lovers. All we ask is a little compassion. We all have that kindness in us.

1/12/06 8:48 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mess is what you perceive so reaction can be unforgiving so is that why you keep using traps? Yes, I don't understand your violent ways.

Are you caught in a trap yourself that you can't call Cat Welfare?

1/12/06 8:56 AM  
Blogger Dawn said...

Anonymous who had cat problems but worked with the caregivers instead of killin the cats, kudos! I wish we had more people like you around :)

1/12/06 3:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

to anonymous 1.51am - dun be ridiculous! animals lovers muz be vegetarians! come on! now u are acting silly! grow up! we are dealing with the community cats now. so dun u get side-tracked! SILLY!

1/12/06 9:48 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If all of us could 'get off our high horses' there would be a lot of saintly people around. Unfortunately we are all human and imperfect in our own ways. All we ask is that you show a little mercy to the helpless creatures that we all share this world with. Is that too much to ask?

1/12/06 10:33 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"How would you like it if everytime you need to go into your kitchen but are afraid to do so and have to peer cautiously in to check if there's any stays that have wandered in? Home is supposed to be everyone's sanctury, not a place you should have to feel constantly afraid!"

You wouldn't like it either if you had to constantly worry that something might happen to your (furry)friends, that someone might trap/kill/poison them, that they might get hit by cars etc...I am not trying to make light of your problem. But try to look at it from our point of view as well. I used to worry about my little ones all the time. Now the whole place is meshed up. Troublesome? Yes. Worth it? Yes. Anyway, its a good thing because I don't find anymore dead lizards lying around.

1/12/06 11:39 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"How would you like it if everytime you need to go into your kitchen but are afraid to do so and have to peer cautiously in to check if there's any stays that have wandered in? Home is supposed to be everyone's sanctury, not a place you should have to feel constantly afraid!"

My dear, the fear is within your head, so lay the trap of common sense there, not in your garden. You can never rid the world of cats, not within your life-time anyway, so learn to get rid of it in your mind. Your mind is the cause of your suffering, not the dear cats.

4/12/06 10:38 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

For people who feels cats belong to the wild or unnatural to feed them do not understand human greed, humans used up the land and build expensive houses and where can the animals go? We used to have leopard cats, fishing cats
Not satisfied with their houses, they now feel they are the only one who could exist, I wait the day when nature strike back.

5/12/06 1:11 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What leopard cats?? Domestic cats are basically cats that got abandoned by their owners. or whose ancestors were abandoned. They are not and never wild.

Anyway to anonymous at 1.39am. It is futile to speak to the people here. It is just a case of everyone echoing each other about their love for cats. Everything you say will be rebutted in some way or another. Phobia will be blamed as you are weak and having mental issues, animal lover means that you love only the animals you want to love. The list goes on....

All I can say is that if the cat lovers really refuse to take into the considerations of others and insist that they are always right. The only ones that will suffer will be the cats in the end when people get really pissed that their concerns are ignored over and over again.

5/12/06 6:38 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

anonymous of 6.38 is cold hearted and lack empathy for homeless cats then went on to accuse cat lovers not not being able to love the human race.

How dare you expect your anti-cats attitudes and behaviour be well accepted? Of course no one wants to possess your phobias but why the need to be pissed off about your own fears and started an aggressive forecast about the fate of cats when cat lovers hold their own views.

Strays are from strays, they are feral cats, those born without human contacts or love and are terrified of people. Cat people who love their cats do not abandon them. They go out and help those feral cats.

5/12/06 8:40 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Anyway to anonymous at 1.39am. It is futile to speak to the people here. It is just a case of everyone echoing each other about their love for cats. Everything you say will be rebutted in some way or another. Phobia will be blamed as you are weak and having mental issues, animal lover means that you love only the animals you want to love. The list goes on...."

Perhaps I didn't put my point across well enough. What I'm trying to say is that the people here have good reason to react so adversely to your comments. Many of them have invested their money, sweat and tears into looking after stray cats and when people express sentiments that cats should be trapped, it simply hits a raw nerve.

5/12/06 9:02 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There are people willing to help. Dawn here has been going places to mediate with complainants. On the other hand however, the complainant must be willing to consider alternative solutions. For the most part its really up to you to take the first step.

5/12/06 9:05 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I seriously hope that you will consider calling up CWS to see if anything can be done to help you.

5/12/06 9:08 PM  
Blogger Dawn said...

Anonymous at 6.38 pm - you might want to look up the definition of feral and wild. I am sure you know that cats were 'domesticated' by the Egyptians but that if left alone they will revert to their original state. A feral cat is one that has been abandoned and reverted to its original state.

As for speaking with the owners, that's what we do. If you think it's not going to work, and you're frustrated (which I have time and again said I can understand), then what do you have to lose by asking us to speak with them? Maybe they won't listen, in which case you're still in the same situation. Or maybe they WILL and the situation will improve. Why write off the possibility of a resolution before even trying it? Isn't that exhibiting the same narrow-mindedness you're accusing people of?

6/12/06 12:40 AM  
Anonymous k said...

Anonymous at 6.38 pm, you can take constructive action by asking CWS to help to talk to the feeders like Dawn mentioned. The solution need not end with culling the cats.

I'm sure you are looking for a solution to your problems. Posting on this blog only makes people aware of it, but a real solution can only be sought if you write in to CWS and let them do something and try something.

It should not be limited to just a virtual discussion, but action transferred into REAL space.

Just remember that there is a solution, and it need not be culling.

6/12/06 10:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous at 638,

I find all your replies with the exception of Dawn's,k and anonymous the rabblings of a crazy person...

Did I ever say I supported culling? Did I ever say that I was pissed of by my fears? I for your information have cats of my own. What I am saying is by demeaning everyone who comes here having opposing views is not going to help. I dont think the first anonymous was going to cull cats, he or she was just stating the problems they face. And what they get is "Get a grip over yourself, get help for your phobia, its your fault you dont like cats, you must this you must that"

That is not going to help at all... In fact it might make people like them pissed that their issues are not being addressed and instead berated and take action into their own hands. And for those who want to say it is animal abuse... well put it this way, the cat will be dead so even if the person is arrested, does it help?

Sometimes if you will just put yourself in their shoes, as you all always say, cats have a right to live... well then don't non cat loving residents too? They too pay taxes... It is about tolerance and coexistence and not pushing your ideals down the throat of those who don't follow it.

6/12/06 11:10 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Beg your pardon, I thought you were the same person as the first Anonymous who has a trap in her house. Come to think of it, I have no idea who I'm speaking to or how many different people are posting...

6/12/06 12:36 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

anonymous 11.10 began by calling people who contributed to this blog as ' rabblings of a crazy person ' and then tried giving advice.

This blog is successful because people have contributed and engaged in vibrant discussions. Some are advocating cruelty by trapping/culling and gave phobias as one of the reasons.
But what are his/her motives here?

Animals don't pay taxes, they have a right to coexist with tolerant people.

6/12/06 1:23 PM  
Blogger Dawn said...

Yes - confusing as there are so many different people posting as Anonymous.

Having said that, I would like to reiterate - this is about trying to solve the problem for people who don't like cats either. No one is asking people who don't like cats to love them - but we are saying firstly, is trapping REALLY working, and secondly, why not consider an alternative solution?

Already I have emailed and made arrangements with someone who has a problem to go down and do a mediation when I'm back. I hope that people who have a problem will decide not to take the 'easy' approach and try something different.

6/12/06 1:31 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Those with problems can contact CWS instead of brewing some dead cats and no evidence stuffs.
There will always be some sick guys going after cats and blame the whole world for their own problems. CWS cannot solve his inherent psychological problems.

6/12/06 1:31 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am anonymous at 1140. I am not referring to the everyone here as rabbling lunatics just that I took offence at this

"anonymous of 6.38 is cold hearted and lack empathy for homeless cats then went on to accuse cat lovers not not being able to love the human race."

How am I cold hearted? I am just stating points that if you continue to shout "Cats are this and cats are that... and tell all who dont like cats that there is something wrong with them. And the continuted statement that phobias are a mental disorder and those who have phobias of cats are losers" Well the point is if I go tell my neighbours that.. I can be so sure that they will not only not be tolerant of me anymore but will report me to HDB.

It is about tolerance. For me I do my part by cleaning up after irresponsible feeders who leave their food all over the place. If I see cats sleeping on cars, I will go shoo them away, and say to them "better not sleep on the car! If not later you get complained!" Whether or not the cat understands, at least I am doing something to protect them. Not by saying we must share and hence let them sleep on the car knowing jolly well car owners hate it.

I dont blame people for not liking cats when they associated cats with people who not only do not want to listen to their side of the story but continute to berat them.

6/12/06 1:46 PM  
Blogger Dawn said...

I think the best way to sum this all up is to just say that we hope for everyone to try and be open-minded, both people who like cats and people who don't. Understandably caregivers get upset because their cats get caught. Sometimes though, people who are having problems with the cats blame the cats - when it really is probably a PEOPLE related problem (ie irresponsible feeders, people letting their cats out and the cats defecate).

If we can keep our calm and try and reason with people who may not like cats, I do believe that if they are reasonable they will listen - after all, if there is a more effective and humane alternative, why not try it?

6/12/06 2:25 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous at 1140. Dawn I believe that most people dont really want to see cats killed. After all there is a certain aversion to seeing a living being being killed. Friends of mine that complain to me about how bothered they are by caterwauling cats and ask me if they can call TC. When I tell them that TC means AVA and that means cat heaven for them. Most of the time the reaction is "oh shit! really?? Okay then I think of something else" And these are guys who are deemed to be the category least partial to cats.

When I go buy chicken for my cats, the hawkers who by now know what is it for will make an effort to wash the meat. As the wife of one hawker said "even though it is for cats, still must wash the meat!"

These people dont love cats, but they tolerate them. But when they have complains and all they hear is. You have phobia means you are nuts, cats sleep on your cat, just let it be. Cats enter into your house. Be at peace with nature. And to them they feel that all the tolerance they have has been for nothing. And woe to the cats when they decide not to tolerate anymore.

My own mother is terrified of cats and would not carry my cats. However she makes their meals and lovingly feeds them. Does it mean that her phobia makes her a crazy person?

6/12/06 3:25 PM  
Blogger Dawn said...

Anonymous I agree with you - I don't think most people want to hurt cats or harm them. A lot of it IS about lack of knowledge and not knowing there are alternatives.

However I have met people who when I tell them that there are alternatives refuse to consider them. They think it's too 'troublesome' to try a Scarecrow or Mediation for example,when trapping and killing is so much easier. Others say they don't 'know' what happens to the cats and when I tell them, they continue to deny they know what happens or say they are not the ones who kill the cats. It's the AVA. Fortunately these people are the minority but I do meet enough of them to find it worrying.

If it was very clear for example that the cats would be killed, and you are made to sign and PAY for the cats to be killed, I am absolutely sure that there will be less people sending cats in. For quite a few people, this is the cheapest, most hassle free way of getting rid of the cats.

As you yourself said, your mother has a phobia of cats (as I used to), but she is never unkind to them. Our ex-committee member is frightened of them too. It's only when people insist the cats be killed when they have a phobia that is a problem - because there are so many better ways to deal with it.

6/12/06 11:31 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Those loaning traps from AVA should sign ' I hereby authorise AVA to kill the cats caught in my trap...'before traps are loan out and before each collection.

A photo of the dead cats be sent to them for record purposes of the actual nos. of cats caught from traps in Singapore. Get the students doing their academic research to conduct the survey.

AVA will decline for fear of making it inconvenience for cat trapping and also having to answer public's queries.

7/12/06 11:10 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I remembered years ago I ran over a giant tortoise while driving in U.S. and did not turn back to help the upside down tortoise. It has haunted me to this day. I was in the car with friends and were in a advice is, always do what is Right so you won't regret later in life.

I wasn't a cat person then. Cats taught me to be brave, kind and never say die as well.

Choose sterilisation, not euthanasia.

7/12/06 1:20 PM  
Blogger Dawn said...

We really wanted to make a video to show at one point but had trouble getting permission to film euthanasia of a cat. Plus I really doubt people would watch it unless it was mandatory to do so. After all, they don't want to be made to feel bad.

7/12/06 1:46 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

People feel better when they don't see cats put to death, reminds me of holocausr museum I went to in Germany.
I left feeling apologetic.

Should not let the cats die in silence, unless we open the back doors to expose the sadness and senseless killings caused by intolerant people and their policies.

8/12/06 11:11 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why must euthanasia be done in out of bounds area? Let the public see, let the public decide. No point having endless educational talks and sell little gift items and the children gets the impression buying a T-shirt can stop the cruelty.

They can stop death by seeing who is responsible. Children have voices.

8/12/06 11:16 AM  

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