Thursday, March 15, 2007

Cats in Cage update


Cats in Cage update
Originally uploaded by dawnkua.

Before I forget, Rebecca has made all the arrangements. These cats are going to be taken out this weekend, will be sterilised and boarded till they are fully recovered. The caregiver is going to split them into different colonies in her area once they are better. The caregiver is also kindly doing all the liaising since the owner seems to trust her - she told me she is quite baffled as she does not remember the owner's cousin whom he claims spoke so highly of her!

Thank you to Rebecca and the caregiver for all their hard work.

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Blogger VeganCatsg said...

Thumb up!

15/3/07 4:00 PM  
Anonymous auntie p said...

These cats are really pretty. Hope they can adapt to becoming community cats.

15/3/07 4:28 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i only hope they won't be completely overwhelmed when they are released, having lived so long in such cramped quarters.

i also wonder whether they will remain friends or go their own ways once they are released? :)

15/3/07 6:24 PM  
Blogger Dawn said...

Hard to say - I hope they do remain in the areas where they are released.

15/3/07 7:14 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

oh, thank you. thank you. yeah hope that they can adapt to human and other traffic once released. by the way, please do keep look out that this caging practice will not be repeated after this case. though i wish this owner well and hope that he can continue to love the cats and have the proper avenues to do so. - anonymous 2:08

15/3/07 9:44 PM  
Blogger Dawn said...

*cross fingers* I hope that the caregiver's words will have an effect!

15/3/07 10:28 PM  
Anonymous Aminah Bee said...

Phew! Sigh of relief here, knowing the cats are out of the bag ... or rather out of cage!
Glad to know the cats no more confined cramped in a cage and finally free to roam. Hope and pray the cats will get used to their new surroundings, living as community cats.

Oh sentimental me! Suddenly felt the urged to sing excerpt of an old song "Born Free" for the freed cats --
Born free, as free as the wind blows,
As free as the grass grows,
Born free to follow your heart ...
...
Stay free, where no walls divide you
You're free as the roaring tide
So there's no need to hide ...
... etc. ....
:-)

16/3/07 3:14 AM  
Blogger VeganCatsg said...

Hope the 9 cats in his bathroom will also be sterilised.

16/3/07 12:06 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

hey vegancat: huh? what?! did we miss something here? what 9 cats in the bathroom??! oh no, not what i'm thinking i hope : you mean this guy actually still has another 9 cats and they are inside his bathroom? oh no! - anonymous 2:08 -

16/3/07 12:56 PM  
Anonymous Rebecca said...

I will try to insist on doing his bathroom cats first. In case he changes his mind, the corridor cats are still accessable to us.

16/3/07 1:17 PM  
Blogger Dawn said...

Anonymous - Vegancatsg, Rebecca and I were told there were cats in the bathroom but he did not want to let us see them.

16/3/07 1:23 PM  
Blogger Dawn said...

Anonymous - Vegancatsg, Rebecca and I were told there were cats in the bathroom but he did not want to let us see them.

16/3/07 1:23 PM  
Anonymous ej said...

Bravo!! Thanks to all helping out.

16/3/07 1:36 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

hey dawn : if there are cats in his bath room and if there are 9 cats in his bathroom, is there anything we can do for these 9 cats? i think 9 cats inside a toilet is cruel. and honestly, since my posts here wrt this matter, i really think that there may be more that needs to be done for the current cats (inside his bathroom) or any cat associated with this guy. i understand that he may be a little lower in IQ but whatever. in fact, i think if this is so, even more may need to be done. can imagine him putting more cats into the bathroom now that those in the cage are going to be released. it's not easy to know what he's thinking. for all we know, he could be patronizing all our fussing now. back to the issue. "locking" a cat inside a bathroom is far from ideal. of course, some of us may think it's ok but some of us don't. i don't. i don't think a cat or more cats should be confined and jailed in a bathroom without windows (those small ones for ventilation NOT counted.) for the rest of their lives. IS IS CRUEL. can we talk to this guy's family members? can we find a solution, a long term one for this 'special' case? (special cos' he is not purposely being cruel? because he may have a lower IQ than average? because he loves cats and etc) if the worse comes, can we report to SPCA? seriously, it is cruel to keep a cat or cats inside a bathroom. please help. - anonymous 2:08-

16/3/07 2:14 PM  
Blogger Dawn said...

Hi Anonymous I don't think anyone thinks 9 cats in the bathroom is okay. Sure it can be reported to AVA or the SPCA - but the question is then what happens to the cats? He can be prosecuted for cruelty but in the meantime, the cats have nowhere to go - this means in all likelihood they will be euthanised. As you can see even with the cats on the website, no one has asked to adopt them. With 20 cats all at one time - where are they to go?

This man's family members clearly don't have a problem with it as long as the cats don't run around the flat. The TC has been by and according to him, THEY don't have a problem with it either.

The best solution we feel is to get them sterilised and slowly release them in different colonies.

Is there a guarantee that he won't pick up new cats? No - but if you take all the cats away as well, there's still no guarantee, and he may pick them up even quicker. With some cats released downstairs, he can still see the cats and hopefully, may not be tempted to take new ones because has to go cold turkey.

16/3/07 2:20 PM  
Anonymous Aminah Bee said...

What! The cats in the cage are not the only "victims" ... There are some more 9 cats confined in the bathroom! Argh! Screaming my head off!
This guy is a cat-hoarder! He is sick (mentally) -- he needs psychiatrist help. Animal hoarding is a mental illness recognized as a psychological condition; a variant of obsessive-compulsive disorder (OCD) and obsessive-compulsive personality disorder (OCPD).
Cats kept under such cramped conditions are stressed and depressed. According to experts, it is common for animals who are imprisoned by “hoarders” to suffer from physical and mental anguish ranging from malnutrition to illness to behavior and psychological issues.
It is cruel what the guy doing to his poor cats. I rather let SPCA and AVA know of this guy, charged him in court for cruelty to animals. Although I am against euthanasia, in this case, it is better for the cats to die than living in such deplorable conditions.
I bet the bathroom reeking of cat urine and faeces.
Oh poor, pitiful cats, if it is not for my family objections, I like to adopt them!

17/3/07 1:08 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

okay, though i'm not sure which is better: to be imprisoned for life or death? most may choose life but as i've already mentioned in all honesty in a previous post - i, for one, would choose death over suffering. anytime, whether human, cat, dog, bird or fish. (that's me. right, that's also not exactly important here. for as far as i can recall, i have always not been pro-life in many aspects.) anyway, i agree with your current plan of first trying our best to sterilize HIS cats. (gawd grief - from cage to bathroom...is anywhere else? how about his cupboard or drawer? so freaky.) meanwhile, it's pretty obvious that the problem here lies with the man. although this is not part of an animal welfare's business, can CWS do some kind of monitoring so that there will not be another cat to suffer where the man is concerned? and if there are cats confined inside the bathroom, can he be persuaded, educated, made to understand that his 'beloved' cats are suffering so that he is also 'given a chance' - of having some uncaged human friends? haiyah, whatever lah, i just care more about the cats. this kind of confinement cruelty is horrid and disturbing. please let me know if i can do anything (eg. bring the cats for sterilization, etc) for this case. i am disturbed and affected by this imprisonment of the cats. let me know dawn, if i can help in anyway, i will contact you then. thanks - anonymous 2:08-

17/3/07 1:26 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

hi aminah, yeah yeah, i also feel the same way - i would rather die. wrt some of the stuff you mentioned, i'd like to add on : the cats at the animal boarding house are not any better (although not bad like this case, of course). some of the owners of these cats rent a cage (size of an HDB room) and keeps putting in cats which they 'saved' from the streets. something i cannot understand is that many of these cats are actually healthy ones. so i don't see why and what for these cat-people (no offence, just cannot think of another adjective - i also cat-people so folks, no mean to offend here.) go around bringing healthy strays and then imprisoning them in a darn cage with nothing else except unnatural cat biscuits. (as mentioned, the operators are hygience-obsessed so there's nothing else inside the cages.) if you ask me, it's stupid and cruel. some cage-owners put up to 35 cats per cage! the cats are not healthy from time to time because 1) they are stressed out 2) they are in a most unnatural environment 3) they have nothing to do but fight one another among the more agressive and unhappy ones 4) when one is ill, the rest of the weaker ones get it. strange right? i don't understand how some of these cat-people would think of 'imprisoning' healthy cats. why don't they save all resources (time, energy and money) to help those cats that are suffering. why pick up an okay-cat any other week and put them into a cage?? so, you right, cats that are caged up ARE SUFFERING BADLY.

17/3/07 1:43 AM  
Blogger Dawn said...

Anonymous thanks for the offer! We're going to try and monitor the situation. I do hope he dosn't pick more cats up afer this.

17/3/07 1:43 AM  
Blogger Dawn said...

You're right - the best thing is to just leave the cats on the streets and care for them there in most cases. I think there is a myth that cats on the street are suffering - with responsible caregivers, they don't, and they're not. They can and do live good, healthy lives.

17/3/07 1:54 AM  
Blogger Dawn said...

Aminah - I think we'll try releasing them first before euthanasia. The ones we saw weren't unhealthy or abused. They looked pretty okay actually except for the fact that they were packed like sardines into a cage. If they can be sterilised and released into different managed colonies with the caregivers keeping an eye on them, I think that might work.

17/3/07 1:59 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

thanks dawn, i also really hope so and appeal to all categories of cat-people to stop 'imprisoning' healthy cats. Don't. Instead, keep a lookout and use your resources and reserves to help those street cats that are injured and suffering. (tsk-tsk - it's strange because after they 'imprison' the healthy ones and i when i ask them why, they will explain to me that these cats have lost their basic street survival instincts and so they cannot be released or they will "die out there". huh?!?! kua-kua-kua-kua. DUH.)

17/3/07 2:10 AM  
Anonymous Aminah Bee said...

Thanks for the info Dawn. Glad you're trying to release the cats from the cat-hoarder's residence, and kudos to your efforts sterilising the cats.

I've got this old song "Born Free" stuck in my head -- again. Here is an excerpt dedicated to the "will be free" cats --
Born free, as free as the wind blows,
As free as the grass grows,
Born free to follow your heart ...
...
Stay free, where no walls divide you
You're free as the roaring tide
So there's no need to hide ...
... etc. ....
:-)

17/3/07 2:51 AM  
Anonymous Aminah Bee said...

Hi Anonymous,

Some stray cats are put in animal boarding house to save them from culling in AVA.
I know of some cat care givers taking out their strays from AVA, because of Town Council getting cat nuisance complains -- therefore the cat care givers cannot put the captured strays back in the neighbourhood again. Which explain why the cats end up in animal boarding house.
And there were cases when HDB cat owners getting complains from neighbours, they having cats in their HDB homes. Rather than facing a big fine, prosecuted or possible eviction from HDB flat, the cat owner end up putting their cat in animal boarding home.
Myself putting an abused stray cat -- its tail was amputated by a vet because someone cruel, tied the cat tail with rubber band, the tail got badly infected. Rather than releasing the cat back in its familiar surroundings, fearing some more future abuse for this tame friendly cat, I got no choice but put the injured stray cat in animal shelter boarding.
The living condition in some animal shelter boarding is not cramped. The room is big, with usually 10 cats per room, not like the one you seen - 35 cats cramped in a room.
Sometime when we "cat people" got no choice, for the safety of the stray cats, we have to put the cats in animal shelter. But not all the strays .... The stray cats that are not in danger from abuse, or not likely to be in Town Council capture list -- these cats are still roaming freely in the community. And never forget, we must sterilised the stray cats.
Lesser cats means lesser complains from cat haters.
Sterilisation helps to reduce the over-population of stray cats.

An old song "Born Free" dedicated to the free-roaming community cats ...
Born free, as free as the wind blows,
As free as the grass grows,
Born free to follow your heart ...
...
Stay free, where no walls divide you
You're free as the roaring tide
So there's no need to hide ...
... etc. ....
:-)

17/3/07 4:00 AM  
Blogger Dawn said...

Aminah - kudos go to Rebecca and the caregiver :)

I think that in certain cases, removal may have to occur - but in general, if the cats are happy, it's best to leave them where they are.

17/3/07 8:20 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

hi aminah, thanks for sharing. (and for the song too) i hope i'll feel less tortured when i next see those caged cats. apart from practical reasons, maybe it also boils down to individual personalities. my even-tempered friend (who goes to the boarding place with me), she does not agree at all with how i feel about the cats there. she told me that she cannot understand my pain because if she was a street cat, she would, at anytime, rather be a cat at the shelter. reason being that she thinks life sucks bigtime on the streets. she does not prize freedom like the way i do. shelter, basic protection and food, she says, outweighs freedom. so it really may be how we individually feel that causes us to think in our own ways. for me, i would rather be hungry than imprisoned. plus, if i'm confined in a given space (what more like "sardines in a cage"), it's worse than death. that's why my heart wept when i see pictures of those sunbears caged up inch to inch lying while fxxked-up evil people suck for their bile! and similar reaction from me for this case.

17/3/07 8:25 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

hey dawn, paisay about some expression/sound words i tend to use for expressing myself. woke up and just realised so...tactless and tacky of me....so sorry : ) - anonymous 2:08

17/3/07 8:32 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lady, you may be claustraphobic, but it doesn't mean that the cats are.

17/3/07 1:37 PM  
Anonymous lourdes said...

cats r naturally "claustrophobic" & its in their nature to dislike being confined in small areas. cats r territorial animals.

17/3/07 4:31 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

From Wikipedia:

Claustrophobia is an anxiety disorder that involves the fear of enclosed or confined spaces. Claustrophobes may suffer from panic attacks, or fear of having a panic attack, in situations such as being in elevators, trains or aircraft.
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I don't think cats normally go ballistic when kept in cages. In fact, they actually seek out enclosed spaces to hide in when frightened or stressed. Not that I'm saying that it is acceptable to keep cats in a small cage of course, but all this talk about it being a 'fate worse than death' sounds more than a little extreme.

17/3/07 8:18 PM  
Blogger Dawn said...

I think it's not a situation of (1) death or (2) being stuck in a small cage for life. We're going for option 3 which is sterilisation and then release - not the best of all possible scenarios, but probably less bad than the others.

17/3/07 9:29 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

hi anonymous, no need for nitpicking on the way different ways people expresses themselves. there are other more appropriate blogsites and platforms if the need is about the english language and about definations of english words. here is an obvious situation where the cats ARE cruelly packed inside an extremely small cage and ARE suffering. Nobody and no animal needs to claustrophobic in order to be suffering when imprisoned in a cage.

19/3/07 8:52 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Perhaps not, but it bothered me that people were suggesting euthanasia.

19/3/07 1:39 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

take some good actions then! >: )

19/3/07 10:19 PM  

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