Friday, March 09, 2007


Originally uploaded by dawnkua.

The look of resignation on this cat's face says it all. Fortunately, the owner of the cats knows of another caregiver - he heard about her from a cousin of his who spoke very highly of the caregiver. He kept asking about her earlier today.

She just spoke with him and he has agreed to sterilise the cats and perhaps relocate some of them. She also confirmed that he was agreeable to trying to adopt some of them out. If anyone knows a good owner who wants these cats, let me know.

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

They are very pretty cats and don't look neglected(from what I can see)Why doesnt the owner keep them in the house? or confine them in a room at least

10/3/07 12:03 AM  
Blogger Dawn said...

Apparently not everyone in his family likes cats, so they have an agreement he must keep them in the cage outside or in the toilet.

10/3/07 12:09 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

aye, this is crappy. please. this is cruelty! hey dawn, anyway something can be done IMMEDIATELY? oh please, what is wrong with people these days?? if you have to live with your family (most of us do in our social culture here) and they DON'T like cats and they DON'T agree to your keeping cats at the premise which you all share together, then you jolly well DON't keep cats!!! please, please, please. how can you squeeze a few cats into a cage like this? what is wrong with you? please release these cats! if you truly like cats, find another way. if you truly care for these cats, find another way and do so courageously IMMEDIATELY! if you truly are concerned about cats, you can help the street cats through sterilization and keeping a healthy colony. Please, i beg you, release these cats, THIS IS UTTERLY CRUEL.

10/3/07 1:03 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

by the way, there is such a thing as a BIGGER cage. just release the cats from such cruelty! please, i beg you.

10/3/07 1:05 AM  
Blogger Dawn said...

Anonymous - that's all being done by the caregiver helping, but they also can't be released till they are sterilised, which she is arranging ASAP.

10/3/07 1:09 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

what difference is this from those poor bears being caged up inch to inch lying down for pathetic fools wanting and selling bear bile (or whatever TCM defines whatever bile is?? crap.) ?! photograph available on top part of last few days' Straits Times.
please help these poor cats. your wanting or loving these cats does not mean that you can imprison them all into one small pathetic cage with a silly green patterned cloth!? RELEASE THEM! Not everyone in your family likes cats mean that you can ENCLOSE, CAGE, IMPRISON and JAIL YOUR CATS into a small cage! RELEASE THEM!!! (dawn, is this mad guy doing anything imediately? is he? this is so terrible. can any of us do something? can SPCA do something? this is very terrible and cruel.)

10/3/07 1:15 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Could someone lend a spare cage temporarily - lend only otherwise more cats will be loaded into it.
That way the cats could have a little more space till a solution is found?

10/3/07 1:20 AM  
Blogger Dawn said...

Anonymous he's not cruel in that I don't think he means to harm them. It really seems to surprise him to think this might not be good for the cats since he says he lets them out late at night. When Rebecca and I explained the various options and problems, it looked like it was starting to sink in.

The SPCA has no space to take them in either. The best thing we felt was to get them sterilised and then released.

10/3/07 1:21 AM  
Blogger Dawn said...

Anonymous - the caregiver is arranging that too. I also told her I was concerned that he might pick up more cats if she gives him a bigger cage. She said she would tell him that she would only help as long as he does not pick up more cats.

10/3/07 1:25 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

dawn, this silly sXXXXX joker IS cruel. (that's why i couldn't help but commented that this is crappy and that this guy/girl is silly. - i don't like to use rude terms here but this one i really cannot tahan leow, he/she is so so so DUH. faint.) how can he/she not even think that this is cruel?? i'm sure my 9 year old nephew will scream cruelty into this cruel joker's face. you don't need to know that you are being cruel to be cruel. like i always say, many many problems can be solved by common sense alone. can't imagine you can still talk to him/her about options. can he/she do something immediately? can i help in anyway? (help the cats, not the joker. my aunty says there is no medicine for stXXpXXity. please let me know. (please lah, the letting out at night is not counted. so what? means cruel whole day but kind at late night ah? same words here, this person is crappy and CRUEL. Tell him/her, since he/her doesn't know. DUHH.)

10/3/07 1:38 AM  
Blogger Dawn said...

Anonymous after meeting him, I suspect he may have a lower than average IQ. He was very worried that the cats might be adopted out to people who don't love them for example. He also isn't in the best of health. The caregiver is working on it - but it will take a few days at least to start getting them sterilised. Unless there is somewhere to board all of them?

10/3/07 1:45 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ok, thanks for the assurance that some help has been rendered to the cats. i'm alot more reactive than usual here because i suffer from claustophobia. honestly, i also believe that it's common sense to deduce how suffering it is to be confined in a very tiny space for an extended period of time. (for me, 10minutes is extensive enough.) the cats can be put up at a boarding place but we all know that it'll cost money. also, boarding homes are no big deal because they also cram up to 30++ cats in a cage the size of a HDB flat's room with absolutely nothing to do, without even a scratch post until unless someone bothers to donate and manually fix up the scratch post.(imagine 30++ of us living together in a flat. just. imagine.) however, if for the time being, there are financial resources to house the cats in a bigger cage while they await sterilization before being released, an animal boarding place would do. let me know if this is considered. 2) like what the other anonymous said, can we loan the guy a bigger cage after he is made to understand that the present is cruelty? we'll retrieved the cage once the cats are done and released. 3) dawn, this "imprisonment" of cats has a personal impact on me and i'm extremely concerned. please let me know if i can follow up just to ensure that there will not be another new set of cats in imprisonment after all the hooha and when this case is settled? people do repeat their actions and activities, high IQ or otherwise.

10/3/07 2:08 AM  
Blogger Dawn said...

Hi Anonymous I completely understand. Rebecca and I were very upset seeing the cats today - as was Vegancat. However, I AM glad the man has agreed to sterilise and release them. Unfortunately the area they're in has a lot of complaints, so they may have to be relocated to different areas. No easy answers in this case.

10/3/07 2:15 AM  
Blogger VeganCatsg said...

Yes indeed the sight of the cats is very upsetting and I am real glad that I could call CWS who has been very patient in talking to the person concerned to offer help.
There is still a need for respect, understanding and being non judgement when offering help. After all the cats are still his and he can just shut the door to all help.
Thanks Dawn and Rebecca.
Let's hope for a good outcome for both cats and human.

10/3/07 8:19 AM  
Anonymous ej said...

It is so heartwarming that so many people are showing great concern for the caged cats.
Once they are sterilised and released, will they be able to compete for survival in the community since they have been caged most of the time?
Also will this man repeat this since he might need companion of cats?
I wonder why none of these caged cats try to escape when they are brought down to defecate.
Since the weather in Singapore is hot and humid, I hope all pet owners and feeders make water available for the cats,dogs and birds.

10/3/07 10:07 AM  
Anonymous autumnpiglet said...

From what Dawn has said, I think this guy really loves his cats. And I believe the cats love him back, if not, like what EJ has said, they would have run away when they were brought down nightly.

If he is really of a low IQ, then he is not 100% to be blamed. I am not saying that he should not bear responsibility, all I am saying is that he might not fully understand that keeping the cats in this manner is not healthy for the cats.

I guess he would be keeping one or two cats? It would be cruel to remove all the cats from him. Looking at the cats, they do seem very healthy and not abused. If he can be taught the right way to care for the cats and can understand that he should not be adopting any more cats, I think he'll be a great cat owner. It will also do well for his self-esteem if he is of low IQ. It will teach him responsibility and how to care for others.

10/3/07 10:16 AM  
Blogger Dawn said...

ej that's what struck Rebecca and I as well - how does he get all the cats back in? why didn't they run away?

He seemed very concerned that he would not see them or that they would go to a bad home. We explained that he could speak to any potential adopters and he would make the decision. That's when he agreed to consider adoption.

10/3/07 10:39 AM  
Anonymous belle said...

maybe this man & his family could be persuaded to keep one (sterilised) cat - since he likes cats so much - and having only one cat in the flat won't be much of a problem... he must be educated abt litter & litter-tray though :-(

such cases shd be highlighted in the new paper/today paper for example ... then ppl will come forward to adopt the cats ... only a handful of us come to this forum and most, if not all, of us already have pet cats and can't take in any more ...

10/3/07 1:28 PM  
Blogger Dawn said...

belle - the problem is that if this does get into the press, it could be painted as reasons for example, why people should not be allowed to keep cats in flats, even though it clearly isn't about that.

Also, I have to say, none of the stories about cats really result in adoptions. Some of you may remember the Pasir Ris cats - three people came forward, none adopted the cats.

10/3/07 4:30 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Umm, what is meant by releasing them? I hope you're not going to 'liberate' them or something because that wouldnt be different from abandonment.

10/3/07 5:16 PM  
Blogger Dawn said...

Anonymous they'll be sterilised and released into different colonies with the caregivers' consent. The alternative to this is to leave them where there are really - chances of them getting adopted are practically, virtually zero, though we'll try that too.

10/3/07 6:05 PM  
Blogger Profpig ^@^ said...

I know of this lady that keeps 2 fat cats in a medium cage and the cats are real darlings and shows no sign of refusal. Like autumn piglet, I believe this man loves his cats but is just handling them in less than good ways. Hope that the cats can get homes, if not releasing them won't be a bad option for now.

10/3/07 7:16 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

They probably don't run away because they don't know how to. I've seen this dependency in animals that have been confined for a long time. Even if you open their cages they feel no inclination to go anywhere and even hop back in. They would be sitting ducks if released.

10/3/07 11:36 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just saw this thread, with all the talk of releasing the cats, could I ask if the cats were community cats that were caught and then kept by this guy? If not releasing domesticated cats into colonies might not be a fantastic idea for the cats.

11/3/07 12:40 AM  
Blogger Dawn said...

Anonymous - he says some of them were dumped, but some of them look like ex-community cats. You're right - it's tough for them if they're released, but frankly, keeping them in the cages is even worse I think.

11/3/07 1:54 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

quite true.... it would be better if the cats are released. Not being politically correct but as you said the guy has low iq, meaning he is retarded? Perhaps can get the social services in..... I really dont think this will stop. You release the cats and next thing you know he will "save " other cats. In my honest opinon he cant even take care of himself.....

11/3/07 2:48 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi Dawn

Is there meanwhile, try to get 2, 3 cages or a much bigger cage? Maybe someone here could loan it?


11/3/07 8:56 AM  
Blogger Dawn said...

Anonymous - he actually lives with his family who are looking after him. I think he is able to take care of himself, but sometimes has to have things reasoned out for him.

vk- the caregiver is doing it.

11/3/07 1:18 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

No offence but I just feel that people with low iq should not be allowed to have pets unsupervised. David Hooi was on who "loved" the kitten to death. His family doesnt even like the cats so they are not going to care about the cat's welfare.

11/3/07 1:31 PM  
Blogger VeganCatsg said...

I think it is not going to help the cats if we speculate and extrapolate on what is being read on the print. Let's put our trust on Dawn and Rebecca who have personally met the person concerned that they are doing their best they can in this very difficult circumstances. It will be good if we can offer our help to Dawn by looking for anyone who might want to adopt these cats/kittens or pledge financial support if it were needed. Not all high IQ people are the same and not all low IQ people are the sam. I have met high IQ teenagers from a "famous" school in Singapore and they thought it was great fun to hold my dog by her 4 legs and tried to pull her apart!
I have met people with Down and they are so gentle with animals. All they need is good guidance. Let's give this chap the guidance and the help he needs.

11/3/07 2:32 PM  
Blogger Dawn said...

Thanks Vegancat.

Anonymous, not everyone in his family likes cats - but apparently his mother and brother do. This still doesn't mean we aren't going to try and get the cats out, but I have to agree with Vegancat. Some people with lower IQ are wonderful pet owners. Many abusers have average IQ as well I'm sure.

11/3/07 3:06 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Note to Anonymous-11:36PM : You are absolutely correct. I always observe and have actual interaction the cats caged up at the cattery when i board my dogs (they board both canine and felines). I found that they do not know how to "escape" out of their cage. And in case anyone thinks that that's because the cats are happy, i beg to differ. I pity the cats and there are days when i do not sleep well after i see the cats. All they have is food (cheap kibbles - unnatural boring food). Nothing, absolutely nothing else. (The operators at this place are hygiene-obsessed, so they do not allow anything else to be put into the each cage...) Seriously, imagine 30++ cats in a room no bigger than a HDB 4-room flat's. Caged up with absolutely nothing to do for the rest of their lives. This is just so super UNnatural. And sad. The cats just "rot" away, they simply do not know how to get out. This in no way, means that they are happy. If they do not show actions of making escape towards the door doesn't mean they are happy. They just do not know anymore and have lost much of who they originally are or have. Very sad. - Anonymous 1:03AM-

11/3/07 10:40 PM  
Blogger Dawn said...

True Anonymous - that's what Rebecca was saying too.

11/3/07 11:12 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I guess it's like prisoners in a small cell. Hopefully they will rehab with their freedom and with time.

11/3/07 11:21 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nevertheless, the owner still cares about his cats. he wants them to be sterilized, wants them to be safe, concerns about their future if being adopted out.

In my opinion, I think he is genuinely kind at heart. Although express it in the wrong way by taking in too many cats.

In contrast, there are many pretenders who throw food everywhere or lure the cats up. These people will rather let the authorities kill the cats than changing the nasty habit.

Since this guy has acknowledged the problem and is open to assistance. We should not hestitate to lend a hand.

12/3/07 2:06 AM  
Anonymous isabel said...

those poor cats have all their limbs sticking out, im sure they want to come out so badly. :(

12/3/07 6:29 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

NO, please don't think that people who throw food here and there are pretenders. they are NOT. they genuinely are afraid that the cats are hungry and the least and the most immediate they think they can do is to provide food for these hungry stray cats. and i appreciate this, even if it's just for the thought alone. for the some of us here who takes care of colonies of our community cats, we are doing alot more (oops, not self-praising, just as a matter-of-fact.) but this does not mean that others who just feed and do nothing else should be discounted or said to be 'pretenders'. Come on. Many of these are poorer folks (whether old or young) who are willing to spent up to $10 a week buying supermarket-brand kibbles to feed cats at their HDB carparks, risking all sorts of verbal abuse and disgusted stares. Honestly, why should we expect, say a 60 year old woman to trap cats, pay for sterilization and all? (yes, there are some - great but let's not expect that to be what's supposed to be.) Just try to understand and accept that these feeders feed because they cannot bear the thought of the cats being hungry - period. They are kind although they are who they are, just like stray cats perhaps - with relatively little in life. Their capacity only allows them to care about their next meal or at best, their next paycheck. For us, we are more privileged, we can care for and want things that are in the future. Our master degrees and higher? our private properties ? and for me, a mercedes benz B200, in midnight blue, no less! But can they? Some of them cannot but they still bother not to let the cats go hungry. This is the reason why they always give responses like "oh, i'm afraid that the cats go hungry." And if they do not say things like "frxxkiex is such lousy cat food! it's all by-products with no meat protein. it's salty, the cats will get urinary tract problems soon!", it does not mean that they are pretenders and don't care about the cats' health. No way. they are not privileged to think this far, unlike some of us. Just as they are, in their less privileged lives in terms of material resources, they care enough that a cat is hungry and wants to feed it. And i salute that alone! That's that already. What more do we want from them?
Spend hundreds of dollars sterilizing cats, load my car with cat food, drive 80km x 4days a week to feed my 2 colonies of sterilized community cats? They can't. Let me say this for them in hokkien: "boh pian lah, wah aye sai cho aye wo cho. wah beh sai cho aye, wah mah bo pian." Meaning, "i have little or no choice. What i can do, i do, what i am unable to, then i cannot do". Meantime, you may like to know that i have also met an elderly lady who brings her maid with her to feed her community cats with cooked fish, mixed with canned wet food and the cats are sterilized. how's that? let's do what we individually can do best. actions are sometimes better than just words alone. - Anonymous 2:08am -

12/3/07 11:29 AM  
Blogger Dawn said...

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12/3/07 11:45 AM  
Blogger Dawn said...

Anonymous I appreciate they MEAN well- but intentions and actions rarely are the same.The problem is - by feeding and NOT sterilising,they encourage the population to grow faster. This means MORE cats are born - which in turn means more complaints. This of course means the cats are even more likely to end up getting rounded up and killed.

Between a bit hungry and a lot dead, I'd pick the former.

12/3/07 11:45 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In my estate, there are two lady senior citizens who have been feeding cats for "donkey" years, leaving messes and only knew how to lament about cats caught by the pest controllers. When some volunteers offered asked them to help trap the cats for sterilisation, they were initially suspicious and uncooperative. With passing years, they are not starting to realise that they should have sterilised the cats "donkey" years ago so that they didn't have to carry two big bags of cat food every evening. However despite telling them "donkey" times, they are still messy in their feedings. We have no choice but to tell the TC officers to fine them for any complaints!

12/3/07 12:04 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

1) no, i am not advocating to feed but don't sterilize. i am saying that we should not throw stones at those that just feed. i am saying that they may not have the means (financially, physically, mentally, emotionally and/or rationally)to. maybe, not even having the means to understand about consequences including matters concerning stray cat sterilization. so, instead of terming them as 'pretenders', we should be the ones who take action for sterilizations if we have better resources to do so. 2) yes, there is no doubt that some of these donkey-yeared feeders can be stubborn and irritating and cannot seem to be taught. i almost had an accident just last friday stopping the car just to clear a spreadout newspaper with rice and broccoli (can you beat this?) left for stray cats. but this i do not think that the person who fed the cats are being pretentious. - Anonymous 2:08am

12/3/07 1:55 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

oh, have this add. maybe i've met more reasonable feeders recently. i offered to sterilize for 2 feeders and they were both only too happy to let me. one was genuinely poor and didn't think she could afford. the other feeder is can afford sterilizations but didn't want to take the trouble to sterilize. - anonymous 2:08am

12/3/07 2:34 PM  
Blogger Dawn said...

Anonymous glad you've managed to convince some people of late.

I don't think the other Anonymous meant they're pretending, but I do agree that their 'kindness' is causing a lot of problems. I also don't believe that they're as naive as they sometimes claim to be - if they see their cats caught, doesn't it make them realise something is wrong?

I have met so many people who don't WANT to know what happens. That's the problem - not that they don't know, but they don't want to think about it. And that's the real problem.

12/3/07 4:32 PM  
Anonymous belle said...

they are in denial ...

they r also in a dilemma - they can't keep the cat inside the flat, and they also can't give it up to SPCA shelters - so what to do ? don't think abt it, lor !

thats the easy way out, the lazy person's solution to a problem, the typical 'bochup' attitude thats so irritating ...

13/3/07 2:01 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

sad huh. -anonymous 2:08am- (ps. didn't mean to nitpick on the word 'pretenders' - just felt enough to say something wrt feeders as i always stop to chat with them.)

13/3/07 8:29 AM  
Blogger Dawn said...

belle - you're right. The law certainly doesn't make it easier!

13/3/07 9:13 AM  

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