Friday, June 08, 2007

My Paper (8-6-07)

My Paper (8-6-07)
Originally uploaded by dawnkua.

I was pretty shocked when I saw this in the morning. Some people from a company called Little Red Dot decided it was a good idea to make a tshirt to celebrate (commemorate sounds as if they're dead) people who shoot and kill crows.



Blogger budak said...

Articles about these trigger-happy people:

Notable quotes:

"Mr. Lim, 54, is on the front lines of a battle for his country’s territorial integrity, a member of the Singapore Gun Club who has been enlisted to help reduce an infestation that at one point climbed to 150,000.

In 1982 the government asked the club to take on the crows, and Mr. Lim has been hunting them down almost from the start.

Now he is standing by for a new challenge, the possibility of bird flu and the need to secure Singapore against migrating birds, perhaps by shooting them out of the sky."

Also, the mynahs are next:

"We are warning them, start culling the mynas now," he (Mr Lim) said.

8/6/07 11:10 AM  
Blogger Dawn said...

Thanks Budak for the very interesting articles. I wonder what it is in Singaporean culture that when we think something needs to be solved or we don't like it, we kill it?

8/6/07 11:22 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

After the mynahs, what then...the sparrows and then the humming birds and if we run out of birds for these gun-trigger-happy folks ... to shoot other living things. How many of these people are around, more than living-thing lovers?? They got more votes ??

8/6/07 11:41 AM  
Blogger Dawn said...

It also surprises me that the people shooting realise the futility of it and still keep doing it. And when you kill the mynahs, then what moves in?

Plus I think before a correlation can be made between the reduction in crow population and the shooting, other factors need to be looked at. Could it be that Singaporeans are better with disposing their garbage especially now with the covered garbage bins?

8/6/07 11:52 AM  
Blogger budak said...

The growing crow population has a natural 'control' in the Koel, a bird in the cuckoo family that lays its eggs in crows' nests and the young koel throws out the crow eggs/young and gets fed by the crows instead.

The koel is a long-tailed jet black bird with red eyes and a melodious 'ko-el' call. It's now quite common, but most people will probably think it's a crow.

Read this post and its links:

8/6/07 12:02 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


8/6/07 12:09 PM  
Blogger Dawn said...

Yes - and I heard of at least one person who complained the koel was noisy. Sigh.

8/6/07 12:14 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If this is the kind of thing we pride ourselves on then I am so fucking ashamed of this country.

8/6/07 12:14 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I released a rat (in a trap)to a unpopulated area. The young rat was a bit dazed and too frightened to move. Within seconds, a few crows gathered overhead, i had to shoo them off to give rat a chance.
In another incident, i was walking my dog when doggie starting digging under a slab of cement, a rat shot out. A crow (it could be waiting nearby)took off with the rat..poor rat.
Crows keep the rodent population in check. Shoot more crows and you get more rats in your home.

8/6/07 12:17 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A t-shirt splattered with blood would be a more fitting tribute!

8/6/07 12:25 PM  
Blogger budak said...

Actually, the crows eat more than just rats. They are highly aggressive to other animals (birds of prey, owls, bats) which also perform similar natural controls. See this account of a bat victim:

Don't tell anyone, but probably the most effective rat control locally are the pythons that in the island's drain network.


8/6/07 12:34 PM  
Blogger VeganCatsg said...

I think this apathy to killing is that people DO NOT SEE the suffering of these birds that are shot and the hungry babies dying in nests waiting for their mothers who will not return. This applies to cats as well. When MOST complainants learn that cats are killed, they are shocked. If only we can show the cats being killed in AVA, I think there is still enough compassion in general for more resistance against the current kill-solution.
I am surprised ANYONE is guillible to believe these GUN CLUB shooters actually reduce the number of birds. It is really paid live targets for them!

8/6/07 12:43 PM  
Blogger calsifer said...

Well, the States has the NRA to grapple with, and even through the VirginiaTech gun spree by that Korean student, any action that bans guns seem futile. Something about people who wield guns outside of military service and power?

8/6/07 12:46 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes, not to mention that they are highly social and intelligent creatures that mate for life.(Smarter than your domestic dogs and cats, even)Anecdotes abound of altruistic social behavior in corvids including a phenomenon known as the crow funeral. check out

8/6/07 1:19 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

For gun club members, it is a chance to practise on live targets with endorsement of authorities.

Why does this seem so much like the blotched "pest" control movement led by Mao Zedong during the great march. The culling of sparrows which resulted in elimination of the natural predator of locusts. Which resulted in massive swarms of locusts and massive famine.

In the past there was no such thing as bird flu but now we might as well build a dome over Singapore so that no migratory bird can fly in?

8/6/07 1:28 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I was just told by a colleague who has a relation in the GUN CLUB and he said it was $5 a cat and AVA directed the shooters to the shoot-out area.

8/6/07 1:31 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Typo: I was just told by a colleague who has a relation in the GUN CLUB and he said it was $5 a bird carcass and AVA directed the shooters to the shoot-out area.

8/6/07 1:32 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

When will these ignorant people realised that bird flu are caused by human beings in e first place.They breed all these chicken/ducks in tiny,crammed ages,and then kill them for greedy humans.These poor animals aren't allow to walk/run around,to exercise in e sunlight.Of course they will be sickly.The least u can do is to keep them in large enclosure and let them run around,before u kill them.And not have mass cullings when there is bird flu.So many lives are wasted,humans are such bullies.

8/6/07 2:10 PM  
Anonymous yskat said...

Some gender scholars have argued that shooting animals is a way for certain men to reinforce their masculinity by bringing out what is believed to be primordial instincts. I may be wrong but many of the crow shooters I see are older men whose libidos are probably on the decline, so perhaps they are trying to make up for what they are losing by playing with a hard gun?

Whatever the relatioship is between the crow shooters' lethal toys and their softening bodies, I believe that aggression towards animals has a lot to do with how boys are brought up in our society (cannot be sissy, must be more aggressive & daring, etc).

8/6/07 2:14 PM  
Anonymous long tail said...

Actually met a senior crow shooter during a teabreak, he was smiling and asked AVA staff when they could shoot crows again. I turned around and told this guy that although he had a kind face, he is actually a very cruel person. His stop smiling.

In another case, the shooters were shamelessly shooting at the crows who were retiring for the night
infront of a large crowd having their dinners.

They were upset when I took pictures of them. They said I interfer with their work and I called the police complaining they were dripping blood all over the place.

Some crow were not dead but still alive from the injuries were left unattended under the hot sun. I complained to the gun club and the police.

Curse them, if you see their faces, they are as good as dead materials.

8/6/07 4:44 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I wish I had the guts to tell these bastards what I think of them.

8/6/07 4:52 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

if i'm not wrong, little red dot is a graphic design company. let's boycott this company's services as well. i can because i give lots of busine$$ to media related company. and i will also make sure my darnest to influence my associates into NOT employing this little red dot's services. see how much this pissing fxxking gun club can keep up. bloody losers. spit!

8/6/07 5:01 PM  
Anonymous Dexter said...

The crow shooters drove recklessly, beating red lights and show lack of respect to Buddhist on Vesak Day when they were shooting crows in frnt of monks and children.

They are worst than scum and shit.

8/6/07 5:05 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Who says that animals don't mourn their dead?

POSTED: October 25, 2006

A "Crow Funeral"

Crows react very strongly to the death of one of their flock members. The reaction often takes the form of what is popularly refered to as a "crow funeral". The following is a report on one such event.

October 16, 2006. Charlottetown, Prince Edward Island, Canada.

A downtown-busy street. A crow fell to the ground-probably electrocuted, and 12 or so other crows were screaming and upset. I took a plastic bag out of my back pack and picked it up to get it off the street and I was followed home by the group as I placed it gently near a tree in my back yard (only a block away). They watched and continued cawing for half an hour or so. Later the crows seemed to take turns on the tree above their friend-looking down at him quietly. The next day they returned around the same time to check on his remains. Cool creatures. (R.B.)

8/6/07 5:21 PM  
Anonymous damn you said...

Boycott the Little Red Dot design company IMMEDIATELY. They shamelessly produce anti-animals T-shirt instead of kindness to animals. May be the next time you see visuals of cat culling in their new range of designs. Those hate T-shirts reminds me of the Virginia Tech shooter.

8/6/07 5:21 PM  
Anonymous Dexter said...

I will give away some T-shirt shirts and wear it if you dare.

Captions: Crow shooters have no balls.

8/6/07 5:29 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Vegancat, it is not that people don't know but people deliberately choose not to 'see' the suffering of these animals, having been conditioned into believing them to be mindless vermin. Until we as a nation can become less uptight and narrowminded animals will continue to suffer needlessly

8/6/07 5:35 PM  
Blogger Dawn said...

longtail- that is very sad. I would have thought that at the very least they would make sure the crows were not lying there slowly dying.

The article mentioned the shirts are sold at the National Museum shops I believe.

8/6/07 6:01 PM  
Blogger Surferket said...

We need PETA in SG!

8/6/07 6:49 PM  
Blogger Dawn said...

Interestingly I couldn't find anything about the company that makes the shirts on the Internet, nor about the designers.

8/6/07 6:57 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Dont know if this is the company

8/6/07 7:02 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think we really need to speak out for a separate WELFARE dept for animals as AVA is definitely leering towards controlling=culling of all strays and birds. I don't understand why AVA is so retarded in implementing humane methods when they are available,even for crows!! This is one dept I will gladly welcome foreigners with genuine concern for animal welfarism to take over !

8/6/07 7:40 PM  
Anonymous long tail said...

Please contact museum and let them know we object to the cruelty T-shirt of crows shooting. It's a disgrace. Who is the museum director? So can we sell PETA, and our own ' kill crow shooters' T-shirts?

8/6/07 10:11 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

AVA culling dept needs their jobs, culling doesn't need skills at all so the jobs are very important to them. Agree, let's bring in the forwign, humane pro-life, anti-culling dept to manage strays in Singapore. They'll do a better job.

Our culling depts do not know how to stop killing any more.

8/6/07 10:20 PM  
Blogger Dawn said...

Anonymous - think it's a different company.

It would be good to have a separate animal welfare department I agree. It seems strange to have both control and welfare under the same roof.

I believe the museum shop is a separate entity and run by the Banyan Tree group.

9/6/07 12:46 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am very upset about this as well. If the sort of barbaric cruelty that is perpetuated against these animals on a daily basis were extended to cats and dogs I am sure there would be a public outcry but because crows are widely regarded as 'pests' people tend to look the other way. There is no justification whatsover for subjecting these highly intelligent animals to such abuse. Perversely enough, people who kill crows appear to be beyond the law because 1. They work for government agencies. 2.There are no humane laws that cover crows. Even stray cats and dogs are not denied this meager protection.

9/6/07 1:35 PM  
Blogger budak said...

Stomp has a discussion that reveals the range of thinking here on animals that people fear:


Exerpt: "too bad lor. the snake doesn''t belong to civilisation anyway so what''s the big deal. if you love wildlife so much, go live in the forest lah."

9/6/07 1:40 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A callous and anthropocentric view but nontheless I wonder if this is the prevailing mentality here.

9/6/07 1:46 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

sadly it is.... Many forums talk of the best ways to "get rid" of geckos, birds, cats, snakes what have you. One forum even had a guy saying he pays rent not the geckos hence they have no right to be in his house. One celebrity blogger is also known for her vivid descriptions of how she "punishes" geckos for entering her house.

Sometimes it makes you wonder, for all the first Singapore has for and all the education, we lack a basic empathy for others. that includes people and animals. Will we be judged in history as a great nation that lost its soul?

9/6/07 2:58 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We had big pythons in the house twice. We called the police the first time. We regretted that decision for a long time.
For the next python in the house, we got it into a big bin, walked over an hour into a forested area and released it.
Pythons are disturbed by all the digging in the drains, the last thing they want to be would be to be in the same place with ... humans. Ok, i don't want a snake in my house, but i don't have to kill it.

10/6/07 12:03 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Singapore always pride itself on how it has achieved..."we have acheived..we have achieve..."
If the Gahmen don't have a take a long and pondering look at the way youngsters behave, with no fear of authority, with no regards to the feelings of others, much less, that of animals, then the way will come when we have to reap what we have bred. A generation of leaders who lack the ability to empathise with the "down and out". Those baby boomers..beware that your "fate" will be sealed when you are dependent on subsidized care from the Government and when economy is no longer rosy...everything goes in cycles...there will be no more strays left to cull...but culling there will be...

10/6/07 12:44 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

the baby boomers you are referring to our leaders?? Haha they are already all millionaires many times over. They wont stay around to suffer with us. In fact many of them have already send their children overseas to study and these children have applied for PR there. Guess where are they going after the stop being ministers?

10/6/07 1:22 PM  
Anonymous long tail said...

They try to cull everything,but they can never cull your soul. They are bloodthirsty modern day vampires, they need to kill to survive. AVA told me to leave some puppies behind for their guys to pick them up for culling. Don't take them all for adoption!

11/6/07 1:09 AM  
Anonymous Jacky said...

AVA really said that? This is insane.

11/6/07 4:51 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The head of the culling dept said that to me when I was doing dogs rescue. Cute puppies that were suitable for adoption were also killed.

11/6/07 10:37 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I wrote a letter to the forum regarding this t-shirt. They rejected my letter...

12/6/07 1:21 PM  

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