Saturday, June 02, 2007

ST (2-6-07)

Thanks Eslina and Vegancat for bringing this to my attention :-

Health and property deserve priority over stray cats

Why do people always seem to think it is an either-or proposition? The most humane proposal, TNRM is also the most efffective.

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Anonymous Anonymous said...


There is absolutely no hope for any other living creatures on this island except self-engrossing materialistic human beings who care more for CARS than CATS.

2/6/07 11:21 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


2/6/07 11:30 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Excellent candidate to run for leadership post in 10 years' time and maintain a ZERO-STRAYS policy. This country indeed will be one hell of a STERILE country!

2/6/07 11:37 AM  
Blogger Hai~Ren said...


2/6/07 12:07 PM  
Blogger EJ. said...

What kind of mentality is this????
Don't forget you are not only the chunk of living cell on earth. You need to share the earth with other helpless animals.
Does the stray cats posed a danger and a threat to you and family's lives? Be generous and share with our strays.

2/6/07 12:37 PM  
Anonymous veganmeow said...

Mr. hygiene-and-property-lover should take a good look at who really causes the most nuisance and destruction.

2/6/07 1:16 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mmmmm first anonymous are you sure it is the person who wrote the letter and the person placed on dean's list are the same person?

Anyway I guess the letter is a wake up call. Yes I say a wake up call cos despite what cat lovers say, the majority of Singaporeans dont think too highly of cats and their supporters. Vaccum effect, TRNM etc etc are just phrases that are quickly forgotten or put aside as hogwash... No one cares about these terms, what they do care is that they dont see any "disease spreading" vermin hanging around in the streets, nothing to scratch or sleep on their cars and ransack dustbins (although for the last one, I dont know if cats really do something like that...) Basically no cats around.

End of the day, majority of Singaporeans and the ruling party thinks that cat lovers and feeders are irreponsible, crazy nutcases that have nothing better to do and breed vermin and dirty the surroundings with food that attract other "pests" And caregivers are at best barely tolerated by some or welcome by others as the people who come in to clear up the cat trouble.

Perhaps it is a time to rethink the way things are being approached. A thought just came to my mind as I was reading. Muslims are known for their great love for cats due to the legends built up around them involving Prophet Mohammed. In fact some Muslims regard keeping cats as a good thing as they are doing what the Prophet did and hence they think they are doing something pleasing in the eyes of Allah.

Perhaps we should instead target the religious groups and leaders? The Buddhist, the Taoist and Christian groups. Enlist their help in holding talks or exhibitions to their followers about how Strays are abused, killed etc and how TRNM is a more humane way of curbing the population. And include examples of success stories of TRNM around the world.

Reasoning being although in these religions, cats are not actively featured in their mythology, religion is a powerful thing, and people tend to listen to things laced along the lines of their religions. It might not even be right logically but they might follow. Example, the luohan craze was but a fabricated story by some msia fish breeders that the luohan was a fish from heaven. Result? Fiction has become fact and the entire Singapore went mad with the Luohan craze... with news stories of luohan that had 4d numbers coming out of their bodies. Similiarly an exhibition in a Chrisitian Church showing how cats were burned at the stake etc during the witchhunts of the past. It might make the devout christian think "my goodness the sins of my predecessors are so great!!, okay I might not like cats but I will leave them alone from now on.... and not ask for them to be killed"

I know it is a difficult task but I think perhaps it is a alternative way of approaching the situation. Approaching the authorities etc has gotten us no way so far.... Incidentally I got the idea from a Professor that told me this "in Mynmar, the military is very clever, they control the monks and the monks control us. So who controls religion controls the country"

People might not agree or listen to other people but most people would agree with their religious leaders... Something to think about.

2/6/07 1:32 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Specifically what health issue was he talking about? Name one disease has been proven to be transmitted as he described. Article is brought on by new-car syndrome. The symptoms are obvious: standing at kitchen window admiring new car parked perfectly equal distance from cars on either side, nail biting if someone shd brush past. Feeling of panic if a cat shd be within 5 ft of the car and fretting away when it rains. Such feeling is normal lah but does it have to be at the expense of the cats? A public car park is a public area - removing the cats may not necessarily remove REAL scratches made by humans. Don't know how not to seem rude, only way is to keep car in pristine condition is to keep in own private space - with roof too.
BTW, why is it that cat lovers are "nutcases" and "car-lovers" are acceptable? Both love something.

2/6/07 2:03 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I know about Mr Ho Chi Sam & him being in the DEAN's LIST as my brother is his friend. Ashamed he should be in himself. Full of brians but no soul.

2/6/07 2:30 PM  
Anonymous linda said...

somebody must write another ST forum in reply to his letter & knock some sense into him. at least show that we tried.

2/6/07 2:31 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Is it really being effective to write a letter to reply him? Does it serve a purpose just to show we have tried? The thing is despite so much education, TRNM, vaccum effect are still not regarded as facts by many but as ramblings of cat crazies. There has to be an reason why that is so. Something we should reflect on and think about. No point cursing and just saying these people are selfish etc etc etc... they have a right to their opinons and they are unfortunately on the winning side. Believe me, this fellow's opinon as an elite will matter more than the opinons of 10 of us non elites. Afterall this nation is about elitism. The elites are tasked with the job of thinking for the rest of the "poor, lower intelligence" non elites who are sadly always regarded as trouble makers if they dare question the govt. So why not win the elite over instead of fighting against them....

2/6/07 2:48 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Must ask what disease cats can spread in car park...maybe he is not manipulative - perhaps he knows more than most people.
True, some cats could be a nuisance some of the times, they are cats. The same could be said of noisy kids, people with anti-social (spitting, urinating etc) habits, they are people. A scratch (not proven)is resaon for a death sentence?
Live and let live.

2/6/07 2:52 PM  
Blogger Dawn said...

Anonymous who mentioned the religious leaders and groups - we're already doing that. You may have read the earlier posts where we are reaching out to MUIS (who have taken our brochures to put in the mosques) and to the Buddhist temples. We also just some brochures in one of the churches.

We have also sent in a reply.

I do hope that in Singapore rational thought means more than being 'elite'. To me, a lot of the counter-arguments people have raised aren't logical, and you're right, it doesn't make sense to me. When I point out the vaccuum effect and that it's been scientifically shown and people argue with me that they don't believe in science, then yes, I have to say I can't understand that logic.

Also I don't think approaching the authorities has got us 'nowhere'. For example, AVA has now said on record sterilisation is one of the ways to control the community cat population.

At the end of the day, it's very simple. People argue that TNRM doesn't work. Well then how about this? Ask them to prove killing does. There are tons of statistics and years of killing on record so they should have no problem.

2/6/07 5:56 PM  
Blogger Dawn said...

Anonymous - good point. I do often wonder why some people are so into their cars as well and spend hours waxing, washing, etc their cars. I drive as well but to me, a car is a mode of transport - not something I would spend hours fussing over but to each his or her own. Do car owners make a nuisance? Some people would argue with their dirty water suds they do (and I remember a court case about this) - but at the end of the day, it's about tolerance isn't it? So how about a bit of tolerance for the cats?

2/6/07 5:59 PM  
Blogger Dawn said...

Well Mr Ho perhaps doesn't realise what happens to the cats when they are removed. He may think they are all being removed and placed in some shelter somewhere.

2/6/07 6:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i dont think he'll change his mind or attitude even if he noes the cats r being killed. it does make a difference to some pple but not others.

2/6/07 9:04 PM  
Blogger Dawn said...

Anonymous I don't know Mr Ho personally so it's hard to say, but it's worth a try to at least bring it to his attention, no?

2/6/07 10:13 PM  
Anonymous cat talk said...

Mr Ho being in Dean's list and maybe someday holds a pretty high position and earns a comfortable salary but that doesn't make him an elite by my definition.

Some of the world's greatest political, spiritual and social
leaders like Gandhi, Buddha, Jesus, mother Theresa, Prophet Mohamad and God annointed Noah would never speak unkindly of the animals. They praise animals and encourage humans to treat them well.

In fact, they know the ways of heavens and have given humanity animals for various life-saving missions.

To cat abusers, I say enough of bullying, be careful of your hostile ways as every cat is well ' accounted for '.

The real health hazards are heart attacks and dengue producing mosquitoes found in human occupied homes.

I am also given a glimpse of what the future will be if young educated people, in their unknowing ways think they hold solutions to society's problems by suggesting killing of cats is a
criteria for car ownership. This theory sounds like a crime, as it involves putting cats through a holocaust.

2/6/07 11:34 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dawn I am the anonymous who talked about approaching religious leaders. Muis and Buddhist groups are fine, perhaps you should work hard on Christian groups too. Not being racist but the Christian groups in singapore are a powerful lobby group as they are made up of mainly professional, high ranking Chinese. Rumours have it that a significant number of our leaders are fervout Christians. They are the ones who call the shots and make the decisions in Singapore, influencing them is in my opinon the key. From what I know many Christians do not regard cats highly as they think of them as being in league with the devil. Perhaps that is one reason why our leaders are so admanant cats are eliminated.

3/6/07 1:35 AM  
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3/6/07 2:33 AM  
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3/6/07 2:36 AM  
Blogger Dawn said...

Anonymous - yes we would like to, but unlike the Muslim and Buddhist groups, they are a bit harder to contact as a whole as they don't have a central governing body for example.

You could help too by asking around for churches who might be able to let us put in brochures and give talks - that's what one of our members did.

I really don't think most Christians believe that cats are in in league with the devil though :) That is not based on any Biblical lore but was just an old superstition (like throwing salt over your shoulder, or seven years of bad luck when you broke a mirror). The Bible in fact tells people to be kind to animals.

3/6/07 2:40 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I wont be able to ask for you in terms of Churches, Buddhist Temples is not a problem, example the Buddha Tooth Temple at Chinatown, the abbot is a personal friend. Let me know if u need me to ask them. For churches let's just say I left many years ago for personal reason. Yes the bible doesnt say so but the problem is many interpret the bible in whatever the way they want it. Among which one of them is the famous or infamous phrase in Genesis which says "I give you man dominion over all living creatures on earth"

This line has caused much grief as history has shown. Christians has used it to justify treating animals cruelly as the bible has said that Man is superior above all creatures. I rather translate it as dominon meaning care rather than oppression. However many Christians dont think that way. THey think of it as God has given Man the right to treat the lower animals as he deems fit. And the cats and witchcraft thing... oh believe me many Christians still believe in it.. Actually ironically Christians for all their rejection of other religions as rubbish and supersition are pretty supersitious themselves....

3/6/07 3:07 AM  
Blogger Dawn said...

Anonymous please do - we actually asked the people at KPMS who linked us up with quite a number of Buddhist organisations, but only one responded to our emails.

The Bible also has many more quotes about being kind to animals or that God cares for the animals.

As for the cats and witchcraft thing, I don't know that many practising witches either.

Let's not cast aspersions on others' religions or make sweeping statements about other people and their beliefs.

3/6/07 3:16 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh Dawn, I am not making sweeping statements.... I know what I am talking about as I was once a Church going Christian. I still am but just that I dont go to church. I left because of personal reasons, reasons which were the digust at the bigotary of Christians... Talking to Catholics got responses like "Other religions are pagans.. and other christian groups are rebels and heretics that need to come back to the fold of the church" Talking to Christian had similarly responses....

Let me share with you all a story. I was once invited to an Christian event by a very notable Church in the East. It was supposed to be a Charity walkabout, instead it turned out to be a "Let's bring God's power to this area of sin" walk.... I had Christians proudly telling me how they previously stopped outside a Chinese Temple and cursed it in the Name of Jesus and how delighted they were when it closed down some time later. Tsk tsk tsk

Christians have always thought of cats as consorts of the devil although we know it is not true and you will be surprised many Christians still think that witchcraft is very alive in this world. They always say that efforts to explain things with science is the act of the devil as he wants you to think that all supernatual dont exist. Hence telling them that cats are just cats is like to them a conspiracy theory. And yes the bible has many lines that tell one to be kind of animals but as I said before most Christians choose to ignore the lines and choose the Genesis line.

Finally a more cynical and politicaly incorrect reason is that many Chinese and Christians regards cats as the pets of Malays which are regared as lower class by the Chinese and cat's association with Islam has earned it the scorn of Christians who regard cats as an Islamic symbol and hence should be eradicated.

3/6/07 3:39 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i agree with the view that different religions make a big difference towards treatment & attitude towards cats. the buddhist temple which i frequent in sinming ave gladly houses ANY stray that walks in & decides to seek shelter in the temple. there's catfood like whiskas & canned fish in the temple kitchen just for the cats though obviously buddhist monks are strictly vegetarian.

there is this methodist church in toapayoh central on the other hand, which's leaders demanded a mother cat & her 3 kittens to be removed within a mth if not he'll call the ava.

this difference btwn religions can be seen frm the bible where it states CLEARLY that animals DO NOT have a soul.

there was once a very heated argument in STomp for a topic abt animal killing & abuse where christians in the forum argued adamantly that cats do not have souls & non-christian & animal lovers argued other wise.

here's the link:

3/6/07 4:16 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

here's the link to a similar argument, the heated one abt cats that u pple may not have know abt.

3/6/07 4:18 AM  
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3/6/07 4:19 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes as I have mentioned, Christians tend to take the Genesis line for their guide to treatment for animals. As Man is made in the image of God and as animals have no soul, hence they are nothing more than animated walking "machines", cries of pain are but reflexes. These are the general thought for Christians. I always say this to myself, If Christ knew what his followers are doing in his name, I am sure he will come down and give everyone two tight slaps.

3/6/07 4:49 AM  
Anonymous mr giggles said...

I am Catholic. I am a new car owner. And I love cats, and all animals for that matter, and I taught the students in my classes (when I was a Catechist) that Humans are simply Stewards of God's creatures and we have NO RIGHT to cause them suffering and pain.

Stewardship is increasingly becoming the buzzword among Catholic teaching, albeit it has been really slow in filtering to the large number of church goers.

I will agree that Catholics (I can't speak for other religious groups) are a superstitious lot as my own relatives have proven. But I believe that if the church leaders (the Arch Bishop for one) were to make a certain stand clear, they will eventually abide by it.

Soul or no soul (debatable as I am of personal belief that they do possess one), animals are still creatures of God. They belong to Him and should be treated with the same care and respect you would anything that belongs to the one you revere.

I am a little upset when my car got its first taste of bird poo but that can be wiped off easily (or would Ho Chi Sam call for the killing of all birds if they were to poo on his car?)

The first damage was in fact inflicted by human -- a dink (dent) just above my fuel cap, created by an inconsiderate person when opening his or car car door.

No cat or animal has caused any damage simply be sleeping or even pooing on it.

And mind you, I am a car lover too. I have paid hundreds for a premium polishing and car grooming package to maintain my car. And in fact, that has worked well in preventing the appearance of minor surface scratches that are sometimes caused by cats claws.

Ho Chi Sam should go back to school and learn that there are many ways to tackle a problem that does not include killing other animals due to his own misconception hence appearing rather idiotic and making a mockery of the Dean's List!

3/6/07 9:49 AM  
Anonymous corinne said...

By the way, the difference between a cat lover and a car lover? One loves a living being while the other loves an inanimate object.

Who is crazier?

3/6/07 9:51 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I was raised a catholic and I agree with most of anonymous' points except maybe the one about black cats being the associates of witches, I have never encountered anyone who actually believed this superstition. In fact I no longer go to church because I am disgusted by the amount of hypocrisy within the community.

3/6/07 11:11 AM  
Blogger Dawn said...

The thing is I've seen hypocrisy in almost every community and it's not related to any single religion or group. People may profess to be something and act completely contrary but it doesn't mean everyone else in the group/religion espouses this.

3/6/07 12:08 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Humans are starting to forget that they share this earth with other living creatures.

They're being blinded by greed and wealth and all the materialistic things. They forget that such things can be lost or taken away in the blink of an eye.

They forget about the less fortunate. They forget that the earth is dying thanks to their constant emission of toxic fumes into the atmosphere by their cars.

Is money more important or the life of a living creature?


3/6/07 12:59 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We are all stewards of God's creation and we should treat all living things and earth's resources with respect.

3/6/07 1:21 PM  
Blogger VeganCatsg said...

The premature demise of mother earth is that we are brought up to think that "I am the most important person in the universe" and what i am concerned about is what I want and then what MY family wants.
The lack of viewing our macro connection to all other beings as well as our environment is going to be cause our own premature departure from existence.

"A human being is a part of a whole, called by us - universe, a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings as something separated from the rest... a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty." **Albert Einstein**

3/6/07 2:09 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Let this blameless cat off the hook
Friday • November 4, 2005
Letter from Dr Tan Chek Wee

Some cats like to lie on the roof of cars, perhaps for the warmth that is radiated from the heated metal.
However, this can bring displeasure to some owners when they find scratches on the car's surface.
Blaming the cats and complaining to the Town Council may result in the killing (aka "culling") of community cats.
Of course, this "problem" will then recur as new cats will move in — known as the "vacuum effect".
In some instances, when sterilised cats were removed, they were replaced by "new" unsterilised cats.
The community faces more problems from the noise made by cats on heat, fighting cats and cries of litters of kittens.
Paint technologist Victoria Chapman writes at that cats claws

"are of the same hardness as our fingernails.

So, unless you can scratch off the paint with your fingernail, there is no way a cat can scratch the paint of the surface of a car that's in a fairly good condition.

If the car has been waxed, the cat's claws (and your fingernails) can remove some of the wax, leaving what looks likes scratches in the paint.

But they are just places where the surface of the wax has been removed. But then again, a cat just walking across a car doesn't use claws.

So the only way that the cat could scratch the car is if it was ... falling off or running for its life.

The worst a cat can do in normal circumstances is leave cute little muddy cat prints."

Cats have retractable claws that do not come out unless they are threatened or frightened.

Metal is never a preferred material for scratching.

Unfortunately, most of us do not live with cats.

So, this lack of understanding of their behaviour results in them being unjustly blamed for scratches on cars.

3/6/07 4:37 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So many wise pro-cat points that I can't think of, I implore you all to write in to straits times. Please do not let Ho Chi Sum's letter be the final one, I believe the gahment's reading.

3/6/07 5:33 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

However sadly many people dont accept that argument that cats cant scratch their cars. In the first place, cats should not even go near their precious cars. Leaving mud marks?? That is a offence punishable by death. Yes we have reached the stage in which Humans are the superior race, everything else just has to die if they step out of line.

3/6/07 5:34 PM  
Anonymous gabrielle said...

ystdy frm my 2nd story window i witnessed an adult cat going up & den climbing down a car. it gingerly walked around & when it jumped up the roof of the car & wanted to get down by the front, it SLID ever so gracefully & carefully down oh its back & front pawpaws with so much control. it seems as if it was making a point not to do any harm to the car screen. it was a lovely sight. ignorant pple shld witness such happenings themselves to believe.

3/6/07 6:03 PM  
Anonymous gabrielle said...

& yes pls, we cannot let ho chi sam's letter be the last.

3/6/07 6:04 PM  
Blogger Dawn said...

gabrielle and anonymous - yes, cats don't deliberately scratch cars. We've been called to look at cars before that were supposed to have been scratched and none of them so far have been the work of cats. However when I point this out to people who complain, they tell me that perhaps the cat might have been scared by someone and the claws may have come out, and HENCE the cars got scratched.

Whatever it is, people would rather the cats be far away from their cars. I've pointed out that I've gotten muddy little paw prints on my car - but never scratches, at least not from cats. I have however had my car scratched by people.

3/6/07 6:27 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I just had dinner at Holland Village and saw something interesting.

I was eating at the Turkish restaurant next to S Pizza opposite Hagen Diaz. What I saw was a ginger cat jumping on a empty table with 2 table settings on it and using it to reach the Singapore Power Junction Box by the side of the road.

I was thinking to myself, is the cat going to be in so much trouble, jump onto a restaurant table and sit next to the table. So when the waiter came walking towards it, I expected the worse. What happened next surprised me. The waiter playfully poke the cat with his pen and walked away. What followed next was customers ranging from caucasians to locals came around to pet the cat, stroke it. Two familes even came by with their child and shown them what is a cat.

Hmmmmm I would say that not all hope is lost...

3/6/07 11:33 PM  
Blogger Dawn said...

I think I know the cat you mentioned. He seems to be looked after by a few of the people working around there. I just hope no one complains - that's the whole problem, it only takes one complaint, though the cat might be liked by just about everyone else.

3/6/07 11:36 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes well I hope no one complains too. Incidentally I was having dinner with a French friend and he was so surprised when I told him that in Singapore, cats die for sleeping on cars. He found that really shocking and appalling. I quote him "that is such bullshit!"

3/6/07 11:40 PM  
Anonymous long tail said...

13,000 cats are killed each year and Mr Ho is still not satisfied.
He wants more blood, more carbon monoxide pollution and may be his world vision is one with lots of cars and zero cats.

Arrogant and evil?

4/6/07 1:49 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It is a bloody (blood of stray cats and dogs killed for years and years) shame that this nation that always pride itself on achievements, just refuse to acknowledge and implement a humane solution to control the strays, preferring the barbaric method of endless catch-to-kill.

4/6/07 7:23 AM  
Anonymous Saltwetfish said...

Hi Dawn,

Letters like this made me suggest. Could your catwelfare website, also have some FAQ and mythbusters page? This way, when writing to forum, we can quickly reference your webpage's FAQ to let the readers unders the myths and FAQs better?

4/6/07 7:56 AM  
Blogger Dawn said...

Hi Saltwetfish, we have some FAQs up at and at

4/6/07 9:12 AM  
Anonymous Saltwetfish said...

Hi Dawn,

Got read the FAQ liao lah, but cannot find reference to say scratching cars or attacking cats.

Maybe if there is consolidate facts to rebuke those repeat till ad nauseum myths as above (i.e. a list of stupid assertions!), it will help us when we write replies to the forums.

4/6/07 10:52 AM  
Blogger Dawn said...

Good idea saltwetfish - we're still having problems with the website, so I'm not sure when that is going to happen though. Marcus is looking into the website and trying to get someone to fix it.

4/6/07 11:03 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The cat i heard at another food centre was not so lucky. He has the habit of jumping onto tables and got beaten up. He had a limp now. I heard more cats are doing the same and i was also quite surprised when I heard more cats are not covering their poo. I thought all cats do bury after.

5/6/07 1:00 PM  
Blogger Dawn said...

Anonymous - they do, unless there is nowhere to bury. For example, if a cat is put out in the corridor without a sand tray and then defecates along the corridor where there is nowhere TO bury.

5/6/07 1:34 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That guy replied!

5/6/07 4:50 PM  
Blogger Dawn said...

Thanks Anonymous - and I'm glad he clarified that he wasn't against the cats. As he said in the post on tipped ear clan's blog (if indeed that was the writer himself), the problem is people, not the animals. It would have been better if he had made that clearer in his original letter as statements like 'stray cats cause a nuisance' do make it sound as if he is blaming the cats. I am glad to see this is not the case.

5/6/07 5:17 PM  

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