Monday, July 09, 2007

Killed for being in proximity to scratches?

The caregiver in this case has had a pretty busy last two weeks as well dealing with this case. Apparently, the complainant went back to the TC to complain about the cats scratching his car. He also allegedly told the TC officer (who then told the caregiver) that he was going to send a lawyer's letter asking for compensation for his cat, contact a Ministry and that he knew a Minister, etc.

The TC got so nervous that they activated pest control, though they told the caregiver they would not trap any sterilised cats. They also said they saw some scratches on the car but cannot tell if they were made by cats.

The caregiver said that the TC Property Manager asked if the bill for the car polishing can be sent to the caregiver. She told the caregiver though that there had been no other complaints about cars in the area, though she hinted there were other complaints about cats.

I just spoke with the caregiver again. She said that the impression she got from the TC was that they had to placate the complainant and that it might involve the caregiver removing the scratches from the car with a scratch remover (which she is prepared to do). She also offered a car cover and repellent. The officer was telling the caregiver that the RC Chairman asked what would happen if the cat was sitting on a car. The caregiver pointed out that if the cat could be shown to have SCRATCHED the car, she would be prepared to remove it but not if the cat was just sitting there. The Property Manager told her that they had many other issues to look into and could not spend so much time looking into an issue like this.

The caregiver pointed out that this was exactly where she came in, because she wanted to help the TC which had other issues to deal with. She could help look into the cat issues. The Property Manager apparently told her that the TC had a policy of not allowing residents to speak with complaints directly. The caregiver told her that it was fine and passed her the complaints checklist that CWS has. She asked that the information just been passed to her. The Property Manager then apparently told the caregiver she had no time to go through it.

I was saying to the caregiver that if I see someone leaning on my car and then discover that there is a scratch on it, can I then demand he or she be arrested for scratching my car? Of course not - I need proof of them actually doing it. And the end result of vandalism sure doesn't end with the culprit losing their life, unlike what happens to a cat that is complained about. for merely being near or on top of a scratched car.

I was also remarking to the caregiver that if you KNOW that your car is in the public carpark and getting scratched, then perhaps you need to do something about it. If you refuse to use a car cover or repellent and continue to park there, then perhaps you need to rethink that you are doing too.

At any rate, we are all trooping down to inspect the complainant's car and meet with him again on Wednesday. He has agreed to the repellent and the scratch remover so let's hope it goes well.

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Blogger VeganCatsg said...

This is a very sad case of bullying by citing that he knows a Minister. Perhaps this case should be brought up to that Minister and see if he or she is proud of such a "friend". I also no reason when the caregiver should be made to remove the scratches as it is a public car park and one parks there at risk of "natural" happenings, including cats sitting on it. Unless the complainant can get an expert to verify that the scratches are indeed due to cats, they are just allegation, about as strong as caregiver's allegation that they are not due to cats.
Surely such injustice and bullying cannot allowed in a country like ours.
And the town council officer's disposal of service is influenced by such strong arm tactic must also be brought to attention of higher authorities.

9/7/07 8:29 PM  
Blogger Dawn said...

I don't believe the Minister was even named - I think he just mentioned 'A' Minister.

9/7/07 9:54 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The thing is how come our civil service are really so chicken hearted? A mere mention of a minister and the whole TC goes in frenzy.... sigh can I too call TC and say Hey I know 2 ministers!! They love cats and they are very angry that you are trapping cats! They will note down your name!! What kind of reaction will that get then??

Remind me of the article on ex minister Goh Keng Swee, he mentioned how he once put in a bible verse in a memo and send it to the entire Ministry of Defence to test if they were paying attention to the memos he was sending out. Being a memo from him the defence minster, except one officer, everyone didnt dare or want to ask what was it all about, even though they all knew it was rubbish.

Tsk tsk.....

9/7/07 10:28 PM  
Anonymous fatcat said...

Let the complainant send a lawyer's letter. Caregiver will then have grounds to sue for harrassment, since the fellow probably cannot prove his case. If he could do so, he would already have done.

The RC does not seem to be very helpful here, if they are not willing to look at CWS's checklist on complaints. VeganCat is right: It looks as if they are intimidated by this bully, too. Unfortunately the answer to cases like this is often to find some authority they are more afraid of. Would it help to bring the matter up with the MP? A minister might simply pass any letter from the caregiver back to the RC.


10/7/07 6:17 AM  
Blogger EJ. said...

Yeah Dawn, all troops down to show support to the Caregiver and the cats.

10/7/07 6:36 AM  
Blogger Dawn said...

fatcat I think the caregiver will see the outcome on Wednesday night before deciding.

10/7/07 9:21 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't think the complainant has a case in the eyes of the law. Causation cannot be proved in the circumstances, as i am sure a lawyer wld know.

Vegancat is right to say this is a case of bullying. This guy is just blowing hot air abt lawyers and Ministers to get his way. I wish TC would have the confidence to stand up to this kind of behaviour. It's not as if they are in the wrong either. Even if the Minister gets involved, I am sure the TC can back it's own case up.

Dawn, does CWS have its own lawyer who can help advise the society and caregivers? At least then caregivers and TC won't get pushed ard by ppl like this guy. I can ask ard my lawyer friends if it would help. See if anyone can do it for lower fees as a community service.

10/7/07 10:14 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If the Idiot really knows a Minister as he claimed to be, he would not have been staying in a HDB flat & having to park his car at a HDB carpark in the first place. Bull-shit ! The caregiver can also claim she knows SM Goh.

10/7/07 10:25 AM  
Blogger Mary said...

Vegancat said it right - this is pure bullying and very childish. One said he knows the minister and in vegancat case, she said her husband is a editor.

10/7/07 10:34 AM  
Blogger Dawn said...

Anonymous - the Parking Places Act states that there is no liability to the authorities if a car is damaged in an LTA carpark. The URA also has the same thing on their website :- (Click on terms and conditions).

I really doubt there is any Minister - and even if there was, I am confident he or she would look at the situation and not just side with the complainant.

Josephine, our committee member is a lawyer and she helps with our contracts. I am a lawyer by training - but of course quite rusty :)

10/7/07 10:50 AM  
Anonymous Disgusted HDB Resident said...

The cowering of TC to a bully must be brought to the attention of whoever in charge and TC officers must really upgrade themselves by being familiar with the Parking Places Act.
How many cats have been innocently killed because of such bullies. It is time that some protection be in place to prevent this from ever happening!

10/7/07 11:01 AM  
Blogger jules said...

Quite obviously, the complainant is just a big bully, spouting lawyer letters and a most likely non-existent minister that he knows. It is sad that the TC is made up of a bunch of "weak" individuals who cannot handle such issues but allow a low-life like the complainant to push them around. I feel if things are really getting ridiculously out of hand, perhaps it's time the caregiver should bring this up to higher authorities like the MP. Hope all will end well with the innocent victims being saved and the crazy ones eliminated. Keep up the good work!

10/7/07 11:37 AM  
Blogger chris said...

It is inmaterial whether the complainant actually knows a minister at all, what does the minister has to do with this issue,this is a very minor issue that involves a cat sitting on his car, i think there are many amicable ways to settle this, by the way , it is a public car park afterall.

10/7/07 5:27 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

do ask him the name of his 'minister' friend, send an email to that 'minister'. I think the 'minister' is most likely to be ashamed by his 'friend' who uses his name for threatening's sake...on a bullying cat case and for being the only nuisance in the RC team.
I think he joined the RC for the sake of cat-removal, since that's what they have been doing for him all along(just that this time its not as immediate as before). Time to revise RC membership rules....perhaps his 'minister' friend can be a pioneer in implementing this.

10/7/07 5:48 PM  
Blogger CS said...

Hi, Dawn may i knw u saying this TC is which TC. And if that guy insist that wants caregiver to compensate the charges rite, then ask him to prove that this scratches are come from cats. Then see him how well he can explain or maybe he had provoke other people, then make 'these people' to scratch his car. So ask the caregivers not necessary to compensate, and i think the most problem one is the Property Manager and officer as they did not have general knowledge about cats.

12/7/07 11:23 PM  
Blogger Dawn said...

Yes we explained that to him and the TC. The TC officer did seem more sympathetic now. The latest posts are about what happened since.

13/7/07 6:16 AM  

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